Why so much attention on male-to-female trans people?

[ADigitalArtist]

Right, so the obvious solution seems to be to dismantle cultural norms in order to accommodate a mental illness. Sounds plausible.

No more pertinent than people who felt like racially segregated bathrooms should exist because the difference is 'just the way things are' and 'someone might feel uncomfortable.'
Not to mention we have things like residential bans on fireworks to accommodate people with PTSD. Or ADA compliance or accommodate for people with physical disability.

In any case, unisex bathrooms wouldn't be for trans, but to combat the American prudishness and casual sexism that's involved.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

No more pertinent than people who felt like racially segregated bathrooms should exist because the difference is 'just the way things are' and 'someone might feel uncomfortable.'
Not to mention we have things like residential bans on fireworks to accommodate people with PTSD. Or ADA compliance or accommodate for people with physical disability.

In any case, unisex bathrooms wouldn't be for trans, but to combat the American prudishness and casual sexism that's involved.

Ya but black people are a real thing.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Anyone can let their hair grow long and wear lipstick and a dress. But if he still has male anatomy between his legs he is a male no matter what he calls himself. Michael Jackson died with light skin and straight hair but he was still Afro-American. Some things cannot be changed just by calling yourself something you are not.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Ya but black people are a real thing.

And once we used to tell people with PTSD there wasn't anything wrong and they should just walk it off.

 

[Kirran]

Transgender people go through enormous suffering and depression on account of social pressures and the huge prejudice which exists against them. Why would you make it up? Why would someone do this on a whim, and put themselves through all that?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

And once we used to tell people with PTSD there wasn't anything wrong and they should just walk it off.

Yes, big pharma and their puppet pseudoscientist henchmen at the 'American Psychiatric Association' have gotten way out of control. A disorder for every behaviour, and a pill for every disorder.

I'm glad you agree

 

[Liu]

Ya but black people are a real thing.

Transsexuality is also a real thing. But yes, it's not us actual transsexuals who should be the main reason against segregated bath- and locker rooms. We are only the tip of the iceberg. It's rather those much more common people who aren't really transsexual (i.e. have no disphoria), but nevertheless don't identify with the role society gives them based on their genitals who show that sexuality and gender isn't something that can be fit into 2 neat boxes.
In other words, why segregate people based on their sex or gender when they want to use a toilet or change clothes, if you can't reasonably segregate them in any other aspect of life?

Anyone can let their hair grow long and wear lipstick and a dress. But if he still has male anatomy between his legs he is a male no matter what he calls himself. Michael Jackson died with light skin and straight hair but he was still Afro-American. Some things cannot be changed just by calling yourself something you are not.

There seems to be some confusion between the different aspects of sex and gender.

A transwoman is a male regarding certain aspects of her genetics and anatomy, i.e. her biological sex.
She can have treatments and surgeries that change her anatomy, thereby making her anatomy more closely resemble a female. It's a matter of definition what biological sex a person has if they had a complete sexual reassignment surgery.

A transwoman is a female regarding her psyche, i.e. her gender.
Due to her upbringing she may have certain aspects of male gender roles internalized, but that depends on her personality.
Her gender however doesn't depend on the anatomy of the body she has.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yes, big pharma and their puppet pseudoscientist henchmen at the 'American Psychiatric Association' have gotten way out of control. A disorder for every behaviour, and a pill for every disorder.

I'm glad you agree

So you think PTSD is a fake conspiracy to gain money from pharmaceuticals and a member donations based organization? (And presumably the other international psychology institutes with the same conclusions.)

The dollar tree has tin foil if you're interested, next to the guy who thinks taking homosexuality off the DSM was a degenerate atheist plot. Let me know if you ever get any arguments that have to do with actual research, instead of lazy dismissals.

 

[Aštra’el]

And once we used to tell people with PTSD there wasn't anything wrong and they should just walk it off.

I have helped several people see past the delusion that PTSD requires them to keep ingesting pills to "function normally". It took some training and some adjustments to their Weltanschauung, but yes, the power of human Will should not be underestimated.

 

[Kirran]

Who says PTSD is permanent? It can be got over, ultimately, but that doesn't mean it's not a serious problem.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I have helped several people see past the delusion that PTSD is some permanent thing that requires them to ingest pills to "function normally". It took some training and some adjustments to their Weltanschauung, but yes, the power of human Will should not be underestimated.

Yeah and faith healers have told me they've restored sight and cured cancer. They're a full if it, too. (Delusion, I mean.)
In any case, acknowledging PTSD as being a real disorder doesn't mean condoning overuse of SSRI, or that every person with it needs SSRI drugs, or that their symptoms have permanency. But pretending there aren't cases where it's needed as part of a treatment regime (and for other disorders including anxiety disorders and depression), and all you need is willpower, is myopic BS.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I have helped several people see past the delusion that PTSD requires them to keep ingesting pills to "function normally". It took some training and some adjustments to their Weltanschauung, but yes, the power of human Will should not be underestimated.

Going by the casual misuse of capitalization in your post, I'm more worried about underestimating the power of language rules.

(And underestimating the power of logic and science, of course.)

 

[Aštra’el]

Going by the casual misuse of capitalization in your post, I am more worried about underestimating the power of language rules.

(And underestimating the power of logic and science of course.)

The word "Weltanschauung" is always capitalized. The word "will"- in certain instances- is something I tend to capitalize as "Will", as the power it refers to is venerated in my spiritual-religious system...

 

[Debater Slayer]

The word "Weltanschauung" is always capitalized. The word "will"- in certain instances- is something I tend to capitalize as "Will", as the power it refers to is venerated in my spiritual-religious system...

Good for you.

That still doesn't change medical facts about PTSD, though—and by that I mean facts based on decades of research as opposed to some attention-seeking practice of dismissing legitimate struggles of PTSD patients and peddling "force of Will [sic]" in the face of scientific research.

 

[Aštra’el]

Good for you.

That still doesn't change medical facts about PTSD, though—and by that I mean facts based on decades of research as opposed to some attention-seeking practice of dismissing legitimate struggles of PTSD patients and peddling "force of Will [sic]" in the face of scientific research.

A solution to many problems and issues is found through sheer force of Will. Unfortunately, many problems and issues can not be resolved through sheer force of Will. I nevertheless encourage people to not underestimate the power of Will, to discover for themselves what they perceive their limits to be and to push themselves beyond even that.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Good for you.

That still doesn't change medical facts about PTSD, though—and by that I mean facts based on decades of research as opposed to some attention-seeking practice of dismissing legitimate struggles of PTSD patients and peddling "force of Will [sic]" in the face of scientific research.

Psychology isnt science dude. Not even a little bit.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Psychology isnt science dude. Not even a little bit.

So how are mental disorders treated? Millions of patients receive professional help for mental disorders every day. Is all of that just based on nothing?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

So you think PTSD is a fake conspiracy to gain money from pharmaceuticals and a member donations based organization? (And presumably the other international psychology institutes with the same conclusions.)

The dollar tree has tin foil if you're interested, next to the guy who thinks taking homosexuality off the DSM was a degenerate atheist plot. Let me know if you ever get any arguments that have to do with actual research, instead of lazy dismissals.

Yes, yes I do. PTSD is a 'disorder' because it made the 'big book of disorders' aka the DSM

How do you think the DSM is written? Maybe scientific research, hypothesis, testing, conclusion, reproducible results?

Or are 'disorders' simply selected and agreed upon by the board at the APA based on their opinions, which are not backed up by any actual science?

One would assume the first, but one would be wrong.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

So how are mental disorders treated? Millions of patients receive professional help for mental disorders every day. Is all of that just based on nothing?

No, not nothing. It's big business.

 

[Debater Slayer]

No, not nothing. It's big business.

But the treatment works for many people. Isn't that an indication that it is, in fact, based on sound science?