why some of arabs hate USA?

[.lava]

the USA is not going to Nuke anybody. Its a doomsday weapon . it needs eradicating Lava not proliferating. This fear is what drove men to deploy them in the first place.


Tell me is this Iranian policy to have nukes because i was under the impression that they claim they dont.

they say they are not but i think they are, Kai. i am afraid we would see a war where they use nukes, probably for the last time in world history.

if USA was not going to use it then why do they have it? come on now! it is illogical to spend money on weapons you never use. they have it for a reason.






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[arimoff]

the reason for my hatread is due to the killing of the innocent muslim people, hate and propaganda towards my religion.

according to your logic I hate all Arabs who kill Jews, and I hate all Muslims because they hate Jews for just being Jews, in that case I should hate the entire world.

You will claim you hate me because I hate you, but it all started with you, my believes don't tell me to kill those who believe different, your religion does, and that is from where the problem comes. It is not because America is this or that, history tells us those who have power, rule. today it is America tomorrow it is another country, and it happened before, a Muslim country had power they did the same as America, they expanded by killing. The entire world even countries that don't have their solders in the Middle East feel threatened by you people.

Islam is not that special to have everybody hate it, people don't eve care if somebody is a Muslim or not, it is your created idea to justify a religious call to kill all non Muslims.

Genesis 16:12
He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers."

 

[Mr Spinkles]

they say they are not but i think they are, Kai. i am afraid we would see a war where they use nukes, probably for the last time in world history.

if USA was not going to use it then why do they have it? come on now! it is illogical to spend money on weapons you never use. they have it for a reason.






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But on the other hand, if the USA was definitely going to use nuclear weapons then why hasn't the USA used its nuclear weapons? The US is involved in two wars at this moment, where are the nukes? The US fought a war in Vietnam in which tens of thousands of Americans were killed, and many more wounded. Again, no nukes.

 

[.lava]

But on the other hand, if the USA was definitely going to use nuclear weapons then why hasn't the USA used its nuclear weapons? The US is involved in two wars at this moment, where are the nukes?

i think they are waiting for Iran to have nukes.





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[Gharib]

according to your logic I hate all Arabs who kill Jews, and I hate all Muslims because they hate Jews for just being Jews, in that case I should hate the entire world.

i wasn't aware that the palestinians attacked the jews and invaded you homes. which muslim here has said that he/she hates jews for being jews?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

i think they are waiting for Iran to have nukes.





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Who are 'they' and how would they benefit by waiting for Iran to get nukes and then launching a nuclear war?

 

[Madhuri]

But on the other hand, if the USA was definitely going to use nuclear weapons then why hasn't the USA used its nuclear weapons? The US is involved in two wars at this moment, where are the nukes? The US fought a war in Vietnam in which tens of thousands of Americans were killed, and many more wounded. Again, no nukes.

Not using them now doesn't mean not using them in the future. America would have made a terrible political move by using nukes in any of its current wars. It would use them if it was to their advantage overall but if they did it now the whole world would turn against the USA.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Madhuri,

Good point, but realistically won't the whole world always be against it, at least for the foreseeable future? If the whole world is against it and therefore it is not advantageous for the US to use nukes, then we are in agreement that the US is unlikely to use nukes. The same logic you used of self-interest and advantage probably indicates no country would use nukes, because the whole world will always be against it.

OTOH what happens if a country is not acting in its own self-interest, or calculating its advantage on a rational basis, but acts based on a delusional religious fantasy about the "end times" in which everything is going to be destroyed anyway? Imagine the Catholic church during medieval times. Now give them thermonuclear weapons. Is the regime in Iran much different?

 

[.lava]

Who are 'they' and how would they benefit by waiting for Iran to get nukes and then launching a nuclear war?

i mean USA when i said 'they'. i do not know anything for sure, Mr Spinkles. but there are some things some sources say. shortly like this; USA wants to change Middle East, divide nations into smaller nations so they would be easily controlled. by doing it masters of the world are going to own sources of Middle East. yet there are two nations there that is not that easy to beat. Iran and Turkey. so instead declaring war on them, they plan to make two nations go into war with each other. so firms wuld sell more weapons and USA would be saving soldiers. to make that plan to work, Ahmadi Nejad is placed in Iran as president, a man who happen to be a non-Muslim. it is Western again who help Iran to build nukes. >Western scientists who work for Iran come and go to their own nations yet no authority stops or arrests them. according to their plan Iran would nuke Turkey. i am guessing only after that USA would nuke Iran as a 'noble hero' who had no choice but to use nukes. if this plan works out then two great nations would be ruined. then Western would probably send their peace workers to 'help' ending chaos and to finish the job.

quite a picture. we'll see what happens. i don't expect lovely things to happen in near future.






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[kai]

they say they are not but i think they are, Kai. i am afraid we would see a war where they use nukes, probably for the last time in world history.

if USA was not going to use it then why do they have it? come on now! it is illogical to spend money on weapons you never use. they have it for a reason.






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Fear Lava they produced it because of fear, first the the Nazis would get them them then the Soviets.

 

[kai]

i mean USA when i said 'they'. i do not know anything for sure, Mr Spinkles. but there are some things some sources say. shortly like this; USA wants to change Middle East, divide nations into smaller nations so they would be easily controlled. by doing it masters of the world are going to own sources of Middle East. yet there are two nations there that is not that easy to beat. Iran and Turkey. so instead declaring war on them, they plan to make two nations go into war with each other. so firms wuld sell more weapons and USA would be saving soldiers. to make that plan to work, Ahmadi Nejad is placed in Iran as president, a man who happen to be a non-Muslim. it is Western again who help Iran to build nukes. >Western scientists who work for Iran come and go to their own nations yet no authority stops or arrests them. according to their plan Iran would nuke Turkey. i am guessing only after that USA would nuke Iran as a 'noble hero' who had no choice but to use nukes. if this plan works out then two great nations would be ruined. then Western would probably send their peace workers to 'help' ending chaos and to finish the job.

quite a picture. we'll see what happens. i don't expect lovely things to happen in near future.






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Lava i would just point out that the US has the capability if required, to level every major city and village in Iran with conventional weapons if they wished to do so. They do not wish to do so and the fact that they havnt done so in Iraq or Afghanistan must show you something. In reality the military force used in Iraq and Afghanistan is a mere fraction of what they are capable of.

 

[Onkara]

the reason for my hatread is due to the killing of the innocent muslim people, hate and propaganda towards my religion.

Dear Eselam
I don't wish to anger you further my friend however your post helps me to make a point on this problem proposed in the OP.

The problem becomes unsolvable when we being to identify ourselves with worldly things rather than the good for all.

When I say there is someting against my religion, or my nation or my language I have already created a divide. With division becomes fear, anger, hatred and mistrust. The first step is to close the divide in our minds, there is unity in the fact that God made a world full of diversity.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Islam means submission to the Will of Allah, it is Allah's word, Allah's religion is not "mine" or "my". I am at His mercy. It is His Will which gave me life and I am grateful for that depiste every obstabcle.

If I can reduce the anger in my heart then perhaps peace will take its place. The peace I then communicate will fall on ears of my enemy and friend alike.

 

[darkendless]

why would i want to send a letter to a terrorist saying you support terrorism?

I'm sorry, i didn't know that building schools and shelter for Afghanistan was terrorism. If this is true then i support terrorism.

Maybe if the Taliban ****ed off and killed themselves we wouldn't need to be trying to protect civilians. I hate the fact that our country even bothers with these countries. I don't see muslim countries doing much, so when the west helps out it gives you all something to complain about.

Do you know what grinds my gears Eselam, its people like you who have the nerve to call soldiers civilians because a few innocent people die in the cross fire. Its not like our soldiers wander house to house slaughtering muslims. A few innocent people die, they always have and will, its called war. Muslims brought war and poverty upon these countries and all you people ever do is criticise Australia for trying to put things right.

I bet when its all done and we give up, you will all be the first people to complain about mortality rates and lack of infrastructure. When that happens, i hope Kevin Rudd has the guts to say "we tried remember, but you shot at our soldiers trying to help you.

from past discussions with you i know that you have a cousin in iraq or afghanistan so i will do my best not to offend you personally, nor make it look like such.

Correct, he guards American and German Engineers trying to rebuild infrastructure. He shouldn't be there, but the animals over there can't stop trying to shoot the people rebuilding their country.

if people have a problem with australia for sending troops you say? yeah darkendless everyone has a problem with australia sendig troops in the middle east, muslims do not need your help, lets just go through the many ways you are helping the iraqis and afghans:
1 killing all the innocent civilians.
2 calling muslims terrorists
3 calling islam a terroristic religion
4 being the biggest racists in the world
5 hating a muslim for being a muslim
6 killing anyone you feel is a terrorist (see #1 and #2)

1Read up. Civilians die because they get caught between our soldiers and a bunch of animals wanting to return Afghanistan to poverty and violence.
2 I call terrorists terrorists. Its a shame that the seem to be dominantly muslims. It's not the world's responsibility to differentiate between who is truelly a muslim and who is not. I don't care who these insurgents are or which religion they are, but if they shoot at people trying to give civilians a better life then death is too good for them.
3Why do we only hear about muslims blowing things up since the IRA?
4 Careful son, if i am racist then i'll accept it for giving a damn about soldiers sent to fight a war they shouldn't be fighting for a bunch of ingrates.
5 I have muslim friends who find your comments rather sick. Unlike you they came to this country to embrace this culture. They are a credit to Islam.
6 Do you even know what the word means? In Iraq, suicide bombers kill about 30 civilians for every American they kill, andour soldiers are the murders?

and so much more, and yet here you are, saying that you are keeping security for the engineers, those engineers wouldn't even be there buiding no infrastructure if the west hadn't gone in there and blown up all the buildings and the people. is that how you start wars, darkendless, by bombing all the innocent people and then helping them to rebuild their lives. do you call that help? thats bloody propaganda and you know it.

Wrong!!! Again. For heavens sake man do you even know whats going on there?

My family does not recieve a lot of details about the war or where my cousin is, but i didn't know the AMericans blew out the power to remote villages without drinking water. But hey, those bloody Aussie terrorists making those Afghan's drink that devilishly clean water right. Give me a break dude, come on.

i wouldn't have anything against this damn country if it hadn't gone to kill my people in the middle east.

Yeh exactly if we attacked a non-muslim country you wouldn't give a damn. You disappoint me.

the US being #1 followed by Australia, france, germany, israel, uk etc.

Muslims love Germany and the UK and Aussie. Your brothers are flocking here. If we're so bad why not stay in a muslim country?

one terrorist is killing another, that doesn't seem so bad. just incase you didn't know it was your great allie that supported the taliban and alqaeda. see one terrorist is killing another and all those countries who are involved in the middle east are just as bad of terrorist that the taliban and alqaeda.

So Japan is bad for providing medical facilities for your people who are dying of minor problems? So Australia is bad for providing more advanced and healthy services to your people?

well this "improved quality of life" has taken a new meaning as i see it. killing innocent people according to you is an improved quality of life. see the words have taken a totally different meaning over the years.

Its news to me that our soldiers are running round killing muslims for no reason. Do you have a source for this?

what difference might that be, killing innocent children, unarmed men, innocent women? if thats not a merit for calling someone a criminal then i'm affraid you don't know what you're on about.

You are grossly and offensively uninformed about the war. Family involvement aside your comments are sick and disturbing.

 

[darkendless]

yes i am aware of all that, i appologise if my post was kind of inclusive of all the people. i am not saying that i hate all australians, i'm just anoyed by people like darkendless who after 8 years of war still don't know whats going on.

give me a ****ing break. You talk as if Aussie boys walk around the streets popping anybody who leaves their home. Get real son.

 

[Madhuri]

Darkendless, I think the difference in opinions here arises mostly from intention of those involved in the war; the intentions of the soldiers and the intention of the politicians.

I have no doubt that the intentions of the American government were entirely corrupt. But I do not believe that the soldiers have anything to do with this. They are simply doing their duty and believe that what they do is for a good reason.
I do not consider the Australian involvement to be corrupt- we are small fish in this, relatively and just going along because we feel obliged to America. Our soldiers have good intentions are have a much better reputation over in those countries. I was listening to an interview on the radio recently that was talking about how the civilians react to different soldiers. When the americans approach, people hide, run or attack. When the Australians approach, people are more likely to remain calm and even cooperate.

The truth is, the Americans so far have done a lot of damage and I can't blame those who feel resentment.

 

[darkendless]

Darkendless, I think the difference in opinions here arises mostly from intention of those involved in the war; the intentions of the soldiers and the intention of the politicians.

I have no doubt that the intentions of the American government were entirely corrupt. But I do not believe that the soldiers have anything to do with this. They are simply doing their duty and believe that what they do is for a good reason.
I do not consider the Australian involvement to be corrupt- we are small fish in this, relatively and just going along because we feel obliged to America. Our soldiers have good intentions are have a much better reputation over in those countries. I was listening to an interview on the radio recently that was talking about how the civilians react to different soldiers. When the americans approach, people hide, run or attack. When the Australians approach, people are more likely to remain calm and even cooperate.

The truth is, the Americans so far have done a lot of damage and I can't blame those who feel resentment.

Exactly, but why attack the soldiers? Eselam clearly called our soldiers criminals. They believe they're fighting for the good of us, here at home. They don't know what the brass are doing/planning.

If he had have said that he disagreed with the war because the intentions are unclear i would agree.

I hate the fact that American motives in these countries are assumed to mirror our own.

America may be there for other reasons, but our soldiers actually guard engineers and specialist personnel who are rebuilding Afghanistan and Iraq. Thats why its such a painful pill to take. Our soldiers are trying to improve the quality of life and people in this country have the nerve to attack them for it. Our government may have "interests" we're unaware of, but i bet the soldiers on the ground don't know that. Thats the important point, they think they're fighting for us and we should support them as best we can. War skeptics should attack the government and not the people who are doing the dirty work. Labelling soldiers criminals won't assist them to get out of this mess.

I'm trying not to over-react to this, but its a hard pill to swallow if you read the above posts i quoted. This is family aside. When family is involved, its hard not to say something that will get me banned.

 

[Minus Habens]

First of all, we ALL need to realize that this whole problem is to do with the extremists at both ends of the spectrum. Propaganda is running rampant on both sides. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. A majority of Americans are against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and realize that the extremist elements of Islam do not represent the religion... Much like the WBC does not represent the Christian religion. And, I believe, a majority of Muslims/Arabs/whatever are against the extremist elements of Islam and also believe they are not representing true Islam.

Our soldiers are NOT over there killing women, children, civilians intentionally. This is what does, has, and allways will happen in war. The intentional targeting of civilians is NEVER justified by either side.

The US is NOT at war with Muslims.... We are at war with the extremists who, BTW, declared war on the USA first. We dismissed the declaration and the following attacks on embassies, the USS Cole, etc. (Although we launched a couple of missiles here and there)... We never took the threat seriously, then 9/11 happened. It is not something the US can just ignore.

I for one would like to see our government withdraw from most if not ALL countries and close down the military bases. Much less involvement in other countries affairs if not directly effecting our national security.

To address the other topic brought up...

It is completely rediculous to think that the US, or any other country would get rid of thier nuclear weapons. They keep them as a deterent. If everyone were to completely get rid of thier nukes, it would only be a matter of time before some country developed thier own...

Who cares if Iran develops nuclear weapons? I would guess the other countries in the Middle east who do not have nuclear weapons care. From what I hear, most countries in the ME are not comfortable with Iran aquireing nukes.

All we (or anyone else) can ultimately do is increase our missile defense to where the chance is slim to none that a missile launched would make it to a target... Total nuclear disarmament is a pipe-dream.

I understand that some will consider much of what I have said here mere propaganda, and some of it may very well be. Who knows. Like I said propaganda is rampant on both sides during a war. Always has been, always will be. Just remember not to necissarily believe everything you hear. Critical thinking is a must.

Peace, everyone. Let's stop the generalization nonsense.:banghead3

 

[darkendless]

Who cares if Iran develops nuclear weapons? I would guess the other countries in the Middle east who do not have nuclear weapons care. From what I hear, most countries in the ME are not comfortable with Iran aquireing nukes.

Because their reappointed leader is continually asking for the destruction of Israel. Thats concerning. Its nothing new for muslims to despise Israel but for a man of power to call for the destruction of a country, well thats something new.

Then again, is he really stupid enough to put his words to action? Who knows?

All i know is that he makes all Iranians look bad. From personal experience they are as normal as you and I, who knows whats wrong with their nutcase of a president.

 

[Aquitaine]

I'm with you here darkendless.

If Soldiers were in charge there'd be no wars.

My Dad is currently in Basra, amongst a tiny population of Brits there (apparently around 75 British personell in total, including the troops). His job: to help train the local Iraqi Police Force.

He tells me it's a horrible situation, they've got no fresh water, no electricity, and many preferred it under Saddam. My Dad says the Iranians are blocking off the water supply too, so it's not just a case of "Western infidels ruining Muslim lands" etc.

Most people who join the Armed Forces or help on international missions do it because they believe they're serving the country: they've been frightened into believing we're all under inevitable attack, and that we're in need of being protected, so they're the first people to sign up and put their lives on the line so others don't have to.

Yes the Politicians couldn't care less and have other agendas, but the Soldiers themselves are doing it for what they believe is right, for what they've been made to believe. It's unfortunate that they're the one's who literally have to take the bullet, and it's frustrating when so many die for useless Corporate/Political wars.

But what really annoys me is when you get these ignorant Muslims bashing the Soldiers, labelling them all "Western Terrorist" troops who just go into wars to deliberately attack Muslim Civilians. It couldn't be more narrow-minded: to assume that soldiers are consciously acting as the "arm" of the Government's selfish agendas. Yes, I too critizce the war and the government's actions, but I don't go mouthing-off labelling the troops as "Terrorists", or play some pathetic whiny game of how it's all these innocent Muslims from The Religion of Peace getting deliberately slaughtered by Allied troops - there's plenty of Muslim Extremist who do go out to kill Muslim Civilians intentionally.

Just remember, that if there was a real situation where we were all threatened by inevitable evil - who do you think are gonna be the first people to sign away their safety and gamble on it, so that we can be safe?

Eselam, you need to look at it with some reality here, and not bash the soldier's personally.

 

[Minus Habens]

Because their reappointed leader is continually asking for the destruction of Israel. Thats concerning. Its nothing new for muslims to despise Israel but for a man of power to call for the destruction of a country, well thats something new.

Then again, is he really stupid enough to put his words to action? Who knows?

All i know is that he makes all Iranians look bad. From personal experience they are as normal as you and I, who knows whats wrong with their nutcase of a president.

Well, yea, Isreal too... understandably. I hope the people in Iran continue to fight for a more rational leader/government. It is always good to see the power of the people being expressed.