Why was Jesus not educated...?

[Caladan]

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't listen to someone just because they are educated or not. I listen to people if they have something to day.

Sorry Christine, obviously you haven't met a lot of Jews then
if someone is not educated, I will usually be nice enough to him, but his opinion would not carry as much value as that of an educated man. for a man to be considered a messiah he would HAVE to be educated, articulate, well informed on politics and religion, and sharp about the socio-political reality of his day.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Simply recall that the Gospels were written a few decades after the historical Jesus, at a time when some wealthy people were supporting it. And the Gospels reflect the author's historical situation and values more than the situation of the historical Jesus.

 

[Caladan]

Simply recall that the Gospels were written a few decades after the historical Jesus, at a time when some wealthy people were supporting it. And the Gospels reflect the author's historical situation and values more than the situation of the historical Jesus.

we might as well discard any historicity of the man then. the question was obviously posed about Jesus of the Christian scriptures, 'the son of god' as it were.
furthermore, its possible that your brand of scholarship of early Christianity downplays the fierce passion for Torah study. which I believe Jews always had.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

we might as well discard any historicity of the man then. the question was obviously posed about Jesus of the Christian scriptures, 'the son of god' as it were.
furthermore, its possible that your brand of scholarship of early Christianity downplays the fierce passion for Torah study. which I believe Jews always had.

You don't have to accept all of the evidence concerning the life of Jesus to construct a historical Jesus. That's the point of the quest for the historical Jesus - to find a glimpse of him in literature that is divorced from him.

One quite obvious thing about the historical Jesus is that he was a poor person in Roman Palestine. As such, when we see ancient or modern interpretations of the historical Jesus which deviates significantly from the historicity of any other poor person in Roman Palestine, then we can disregard that piece.

 

[Caladan]

You don't have to accept all of the evidence concerning the life of Jesus to construct a historical Jesus. That's the point of the quest for the historical Jesus - to find a glimpse of him in literature that is divorced from him.

The op does not ask about the historical Jesus, it asks about the 'son of god', the Jesus of the scriptures.

One quite obvious thing about the historical Jesus is that he was a poor person in Roman Palestine. As such, when we see ancient or modern interpretations of the historical Jesus which deviates significantly from the historicity of any other poor person in Roman Palestine, then we can disregard that piece.

I imagine it to be more complicated than that, an uneducated man is not worth the serious concern of both the religious and the administrative authorities, because he would not have the means to threaten their authority if he had poor knowledge. after all Jesus was not a Fedayeen, he was preaching non violence.

 

[gzusfrk]

My other thread was removed so re-worded the question. Why was the son of god not educated?

Or do you beleive he was?

Also why did he not see or feel the need to record his teachings?

As far as I can tell He was a carpenter, which does take some education and or training, most people are educated and or trained in to a certian field of interest, not to many people know every feild of education and or training.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The op does not ask about the historical Jesus, it asks about the 'son of god', the Jesus of the scriptures.

That was a matter of competence.

 

[Oberon]

One quite obvious thing about the historical Jesus is that he was a poor person in Roman Palestine. As such, when we see ancient or modern interpretations of the historical Jesus which deviates significantly from the historicity of any other poor person in Roman Palestine, then we can disregard that piece.

Doesn't such an approach preclude any innovation on Jesus' part?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Doesn't such an approach preclude any innovation on Jesus' part?

He's not trying to locate the historical Jesus.

 

[ChristineES]

Sorry Christine, obviously you haven't met a lot of Jews then
if someone is not educated, I will usually be nice enough to him, but his opinion would not carry as much value as that of an educated man. for a man to be considered a messiah he would HAVE to be educated, articulate, well informed on politics and religion, and sharp about the socio-political reality of his day.

Too bad my great grandfather, who was an Orthodox Jew, didn't hear you say that. Of his wife, who was Jewish, too. :foot:
My mother would agree with you, though.

 

[dogsgod]

Simply recall that the Gospels were written a few decades after the historical Jesus, at a time when some wealthy people were supporting it. And the Gospels reflect the author's historical situation and values more than the situation of the historical Jesus.

we might as well discard any historicity of the man then. the question was obviously posed about Jesus of the Christian scriptures, 'the son of god' as it were.
furthermore, its possible that your brand of scholarship of early Christianity downplays the fierce passion for Torah study. which I believe Jews always had.

He's on a quest for the historical Jesus and apparently, unlike the Jesus of the gospels, the historical Jesus he's looking for doesn't read.

 

[dogsgod]

The Jesus of the gospels did not see or feel the need to record his teachings and the historical Jesus couldn't because he was illiterate.

Are we making progress?

 

[MW0082]

The Jesus of the gospels did not see or feel the need to record his teachings and the historical Jesus couldn't because he was illiterate.

Are we making progress?

No we are not, the son of god was illiterate? he was a miracle worker but never saw the need for language...?? he brought back the dead and turned water into wine yet left his followers and himself and legacy ignorant. that is th emost backward thing I have ever heard. It is impossible for this bolagne to be even close to truth......

 

[EverChanging]

The Buddha didn't record his teachings, either.

 

[dogsgod]

No we are not, the son of god was illiterate? he was a miracle worker but never saw the need for language...?? he brought back the dead and turned water into wine yet left his followers and himself and legacy ignorant. that is th emost backward thing I have ever heard. It is impossible for this bolagne to be even close to truth......

You are confusing the Jesus of the gospels with the historical Jesus. Apparently it was the historical Jesus that couldn't read or write. It is well established that the Jesus of the gospels could read and write.

 

[Willamena]

why should anyone listen to an uneducated man? what can an uneducated man teach other men?

Meekiness?

 

[dogsgod]

The Buddha didn't record his teachings, either.

Unlike the collections of various teachings that are all attributed to a Jesus, the oldest Buddha teachings had to have come from someone in particular, one who thought scientifically, someone several centuries ahead of their time.

 

[MW0082]

You are confusing the Jesus of the gospels with the historical Jesus. Apparently it was the historical Jesus that couldn't read or write. It is well established that the Jesus of the gospels could read and write.

which is fake then..? Or are both fake?

 

[EverChanging]

Unlike the collections of various teachings that are all attributed to a Jesus, the oldest Buddha teachings had to have come from someone in particular, one who thought scientifically, someone several centuries ahead of their time.

That may be true. I'm just saying, he didn't record them....

 

[Reverend Rick]

The Boy Jesus in the Temple (Luke 2:39-52)