dogsgod
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How do you know that? No doubt we don't have his memoirs if he wrote any but we do have copies of copies of his teachings. Did he originally write them down? I don't know.
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Why was Jesus not educated...?
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dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Someone had to have put together the collections of sayings such as the Q and Thomas sayings gospels. Was that person a teacher, or just one that wrote down sayings and teachings as he came across them? Those teachings and sayings were eventually all attributed to a Jesus. Any thoughts?
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tomato1236
Ninja Master
Well, if he did make a book, you wouldn't have believed it anyway, right? 
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Believed what?Well, if he did make a book, you wouldn't have believed it anyway, right?
tomato1236
Ninja Master
ugh. Seriously?
MW0082
Jesus 4 Profit.... =)~
You're missing the point, no still wouldn't believe it if Jesus had actually wrote something. However it would give us an idea of who Jesus really was and that he really existed. I am not asking if what he did or said was true, I am asking if he was real why did he not record his life? In fact why did no one, while he was alive...?Well, if he did make a book, you wouldn't have believed it anyway, right?
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angellous_evangellous
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It was all about money.
The earliest Christians were poor, and as Christianity spread they gained more and more wealthy patrons who could finance the writing of Christianity. This process happened pretty quickly, because Paul himself was able to find wealthy supporters in Galatia, Corinth, and Rome between 50 and 65CE.
The Gospel traditions, memorized in parable form, were written shortly after Paul's death. Luke actually names Theophilus, who funded the writing of that Gospel, and he indicates that he uses earlier sources.
TEXASBULL
Member
remember the story of the adulterous woman? The Bible says Jesus went to the ground and wrote with his finger into the dirt. We don't know if he was drawing smiley faces, doing advanced mathematical theories, or writing words in their language, but he was writing something. This could be a clue if he could read or write.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
That story was not originally in the Gospel of John.
note: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery
MW0082
Jesus 4 Profit.... =)~
Ok but as the Son of God and savior of man kind could he not have had the ability to write his own teachings?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
The idea of Jesus as Son of God came long after the historical Jesus - and even possibly the writing of the earliest Gospels.
MW0082
Jesus 4 Profit.... =)~
So Historical Jesus and Gospel Jesus are two different people...?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
That's the point of historical Jesus studies - to isolate as best as possible an hisorical Jesus from its mythical shell.
That is to say: the historical Jesus is encased in later myths, and we can extract an historical Jesus from these myths by identifying and removing the later elements. Then, we can compare what's left with other historical models of ancient figures to see what our historical Jesus is most like: a Cynic teacher, a rabbi, a Pharisee, and so on [these models can overlap].
tomato1236
Ninja Master
Nah. I think you're missing the point.
TEXASBULL
Member
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
If it was " original " or not, it is still in the bible.
Yes, with a footnote that indicates that it is non-canonical.
TEXASBULL
Member
how can it be non-canonical when it was in the final version?
A story is a story. I am just pointing out that there is one story of Jesus writing something. Whether it was added to John later, added that the time of canonization, or Joseph Smith got the story from the translation of golden plates, the story is out there.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
There's no such thing as a final version.
NT scholars make discoveries all the time that indicate a text was not originally in the NT.
In this case, you point to a stroy Jesus wrote... but that's useless to our discussion because that particular story isn't attested until the 6th century. That's about 400 years after the Gospel of John was finalized.
MW0082
Jesus 4 Profit.... =)~
So this is where my confusion comes in, if this religion is based upon this man and his story and we may have it wrong. How much else is wrong that is being told....
