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Troublemane said:
jesus has always crippled people , just like his friends in the bible , their big bad ending, and their trail of murder, I say worship your self, and cator to your self, live it- love it , with no one telling you you owe them for something , I guess people who have roaches in their house take them off to heaven with them ? and Santa claus will pay them a visit every now and again , maby if we pray for little Jessica in the cancer hospiital she recover, some poeple are famaly orented, and herd mentalitist,
Interesting, but....
Firstly, I wasn't commenting on your post.
My bad
Second, egocentricity, while revolving around "wants", involves attaining those wants at any cost with disregard for other possibilities.
Well of course, but that is not always the case. That is where emotions come into play.
Thirdly, it isn't about what we know of, it's the fact that being Satanically aethist (LaVeyan) discounts the possibility of what "might be".
No, I do not doubt what 'might be' I chose not to believe in it. I would say that the mind is capable of greater things than simple theism, the universe is unknown and all things in live are childeren of nature, Satan. Of course this goes into account that I do not believe in any dieties, I do not doubt the existence of what 'might be' for what do we know of the universe, besides the fact that stars destroy giving birth to more stars and nebulas? We look at the universe, what else could be out there? A diety floating in hyper space? Is it rational to believe in such dieties? I think not...
Fourth, one cannot simply state that things just come in and out of existence because one cannot point to any such thing whatsoever. What's one example of this? Where? And at what complexity?
Sure, a new born baby that dies as soon as it is born. A star being sucked into a black hole. A man getting shot on the street. All of these things lived and died...simple.
Fifth, not once did I insinuate that life is something that needs to be solved. I give no greater meaning to anything than the other. My argument, simply, is that we cannot logically discount the possibility of something, some force, that is greater than us. It's far more than just perception or far less, if you will.
Of course, well with that being said, to believe in a greater force is believing in a creator. Haha...something along the lines of 'still shrouded in myster, until you rise above perception, a viel of ignorance is in motion, continuing throughout multiple generations.' Maybe you recognize that (Dimmu Borgir), but that sounds like your trying to give a lable to something that just is, i.e. solve a puzzle.
And lastly, it is a FACT that things exist that science itself hasn't even beeen able to prove or disprove completely. Therefore, cannot be humanly created or duplicated, thus undeniable. We're not necessarily talking about anything supernatural, just beyond our level of comprehension. Whether that's "out of this world" or not, we don't know yet and maybe never will. And yes, it is 100% percent reasonable to NOT follow a faith. Faith is nothing more than empty hope. But I'm not talking about any faith whatsoever. I'm simply stating that as an intelligent, reasonable human being, one cannot logically discount the "possibility" of things beyond our understanding. And from what the CoS tells us, LaVeyan Satanists, therefore Atheist Satanists, absolutely do not acknowledge even the possibility of such. That, to me, seems narrow minded.
I think you're missing my point. We're not necessarily talking about any deities, per se, like some guy in the sky in a robe. What I'm saying is that a force that is beyond our understanding may very well exist, in fact, is likely to exist. There's nothing irrational about submitting to the "possibility" of supernaturalistic forces or events.
Where is the inductive or deductive reasoning?
The FBI hires psychics on difficult to solve murder cases. This has been documented numerous times. Therefore, there are only two distinct scenarios. One, the person claiming to be psychic actually commited the crime and hid the body where he/she finds it, or, he/she is actually psychic and has tapped into a power or force that many, if not most of us, have not. Is it important to tap into these forces?
Or maybe he/she is better at putting the peices together. It is nothing special, a 'psychic' taps into mental power, something a big dumb FBI agent is obviously not capable of.
Maybe, maybe not. But if we have been granted the ability to think about these things which actually may help advace us, should we just ignore it on the assumption that we just "are", period?
It is not an assumption. We just are...sure spirituality may help us advance, but you don't need to hold supernatural faith to be spiritual. Since spirituality is of love in the first place. Some of the strongest spiritual people are Athiest
Remember, whatever someone believes to be their truth, is, in essence, their "faith", their path. Some theists speak concretely of a deity or presence, be they Abrahamic or Satanic. How can they? they don't "know" for sure.
Because they believe that they are right, hence they force down perceptions upon others. It is simply a matter of being dominant and being 'better'. What is worse than not knowing, to live or disappear?
Some atheists speak of the non-existence of a god or deity. How can they? Do they "know" for sure? All I'm saying here is that, in my view, because I admit to the very likely possibility of the existence of a force or forces, I cannot and do not feel reasonable at the act of discounting something because it has not been proven, per se. We would have to call a whole lot of people in the world wackos if everything everyone said called for absolute proof.
Well you said 'force' which is different from a diety. Therefore, sure dark energy exists
You may very well be right, there may not be any deities or anything else whatsoever. The key here is that you "may be" right. This is not an attempt to solve any life puzzle at all. It is simply taking comfort in who and what I am and, all the while, admitting that there very well may be "things" out there (not in hyperspace but beyond perceptual human realm). That doesn't mean I or you ever have to bow down or side with it/them. In my view, to be theistic, is to be open to the possibility of supernatural existence rather than worshipping or bowing down to it. The Nazarene may very well exist too, who knows? But one thing is for sure, that is a tyrannical egomaniac that I want nothing to do with!
