Because it is not a logically sound argument.
The movie could have ended in any number if ways, and however it ended is how God knew it would end.
What is illogical about that?
What caused the movie to end as it does, could be based on many things, and doesn't necessarily have to be a single thing, it could very well be one thing causing another. Not really any different than you kicking a football that then hits a window that then shatters and falls on the street, that then punctures the wheels of a car, that then crashes etc. Just replace all these with atoms or whatever, one thing leads to another, based on whatever sat it in motion, so it could be God driving it, or he might not care about it so whatever plays out is fine by him. This is where the discussion would probably turn into whether God is an intervening one or not.
The point is, that if you use the string of events as I wrote above and God knew all this beforehand, then this string of events has to play out exactly as it did. You could not choose to not kick the ball, the ball had no other option than breaking the window etc.
So yes, I don't see how the Universe with an all-knowing being like God, could be anything other than deterministic and in that case, we would be "robots" without free will, merely an illusion that we have it.
I see where the block is in your mind but I cannot fix it.
The point is, that if you use the string of events as I wrote above and God knew all this beforehand, then this string of events will play out exactly as it did, but if humans had
chosen to do something differently or if something had happened differently then God would have known that it would play out differently.
In short, whatever happens in this world God knows what it will be, but what God knows does not restrict the possibilities in any way.
No, because that is backwards.
What you are doing is making the choice and then claiming that God would know it. But that doesn't work. Because God already knows whether you will jump or not before you do. If we go with what you are saying, you are basically claiming that your choice is what drives God's knowledge in which case the obvious conclusion would be that God doesn't really know anything.
You are getting closer to what is actually true, nit exact, but close.
What I am doing is making the choice and then claiming that
God has always known what my choice would be. God already knows whether I will jump or not before I do but I still have the choice to jump or not to jump. Whatever choice I make will be the choice that God already knew I would make.
Yes, I am basically claiming that my choice is what determines God's knowledge of what I will choose.
But that does not mean that God does not know anything. God knows everything, including what I will choose, but God's knowledge does not determine what I will choose, I determine that by choosing it. God knows what I will choose because God is all-knowing.
The reason is that there are only 2 contradictive options, either you jump or you don't, one prevents the other from being true.
Yes, it has to be one or the other, jump or don't jump, Whichever one it is will be what God knew it would be, because God is all-knowing.
To really flesh it out and put it on a timeline, from the beginning when God knows:
1. God knows that you will jump
2. You go to the edge of the building.
3. At this point you should jump because that is what God knows, yet following what you say, you choose to not jump.
4. Either we have to say that God was wrong, which is not possible, so now we just change what God knew at the beginning instead. (1) God knows that you won't jump but that doesn't make sense, if God knew you wouldn't jump, (1) would have been that, to begin with. Therefore God didn't know and you simply decided what God knew in step 3.
More correctly stated:
To really flesh it out and put it on a timeline, from the beginning when God knows:
1. God knows that
you will jump
2. You go to the edge of the building.
3. At this point you should jump because that is what God knows,
No, I do not choose to jump because God knows I will choose to jump. I will choose to jump because I wanted to jump.
If I had no chosen not to jump then God would have known that I would choose not to jump.
4. Either we have to say that God was wrong, which is not possible, so now we just change what God knew at the beginning instead. (1) God knows that
you won't jump but that doesn't make sense, if God knew you wouldn't jump, (1) would have been that, to begin with. Therefore God didn't know and you simply decided what God knew in step 3.
It was what God knew at the beginning.
If I had chosen to jump, God would have always known I would choose to jump.
If I had chosen not to jump, God would have always known I would choose not to jump.
God did know and I simply decided to do what God knew I would do. Again, I did not choose to jump because God knew I would choose to jump. I chose to jump because I wanted to jump. God knew I would want to jump because God is all-knowing.
You seem to ignore time in your logic, and that God just magically always had the correct answer based on your choice, but that is not the claim, the claim is that God is all-knowing, and therefore you can't change what he knows without him not being all-knowing.
Therefore whatever God knows, even if he isn't the cause of it, is how it will turn out. And again, since he knows before you, you can't change what he knows.
Whatever God knows, even if he isn't the cause of it, is how it will turn out.
I cannot change what God knows, but I can choose what I want to do, and whatever that is will be what
God has always known I would choose to do. Nothing is being changed. Apparently you have this idea that it was decided by God what I would do from the beginning of time and that is static, but that is not the case.
Time has nothing to do with this. God always has always known what will happen because God is all-knowing, but what will happen is based on my choice.
