World in chaos

[Bunyip]

If that verse is read in context of the entire passage I think it is clear that Jesus is speaking in reference to a future generation, the generation which sees the signs He has just finished speaking about. It is this generation which will not pass away and will see His return. I believe one of the most indicative signs is that of the re-establishment of the nation of Israel.

That makes no sense at all, why would he speak to the generation in front of him but really be meaning some future generation as yet unborn? Clearly he meant that some of those listening would still be alive when he returned - and of course he did not.

 

[Bunyip]

Seeking salvation through the Savior Jesus Christ does not mean one does not take responsibility because to receive salvation means admitting ones sin and need of forgiveness. Are you sure you are able to bear your sins eternally?

Why would I need to? I am mortal.

 

[columbus]

34* Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If that verse is read in context of the entire passage I think it is clear that Jesus is speaking in reference to a future generation, the generation which sees the signs He has just finished speaking about. It is this generation which will not pass away and will see His return. I believe one of the most indicative signs is that of the re-establishment of the nation of Israel.

I don't see anything clear about it. Looks to me like the original authors fully expected Jesus to return in a short time. They expected to see those signs themselves.

They expected Jesus to save Judea, not watch it destroyed.

Tom

 

[Ingledsva]

If that verse is read in context of the entire passage I think it is clear that Jesus is speaking in reference to a future generation, the generation which sees the signs He has just finished speaking about. It is this generation which will not pass away and will see His return. I believe one of the most indicative signs is that of the re-establishment of the nation of Israel.

What? I don't agree. He says the same thing to his disciples in 23:36.


Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mat 24:33 So likewise you, when you shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.




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[Desert Snake]

I don't see anything clear about it. Looks to me like the original authors fully expected Jesus to return in a short time. They expected to see those signs themselves.

They expected Jesus to save Judea, not watch it destroyed.

Tom

Actually we get different verses with different meanings. It's like the different authors had differing viewpoints or such, I don't have the verse references but I read some recently.

 

[HaRah]

I like your word Chaos - however I prefer to look at it all as the screaming chaos that is the harmony in which we live - god gives you the infinite and you find the petty - you remind me of the majority who see nothing in all the beauty of the that which is - its magnificence you so small as to never have existed at all you silly poor man - do not worry mankind sees himself as the center of some magical significance and misses that he is in heaven the infinite is at you feet - rejoice

 

[Iti oj]

What do you have against salvation? Do you really want to bear the burden of all your sins alone for eternity?

The need of it.

 

[Iti oj]

I don't think you understand how to read the Bible. Yeah, there is a lot of violence and evil behavior because much of the scripture, especially the OT is a narrative on human behavior and how wicked it is.

At the request of God, or at least his prophet. Those stories are toted as good, not bad.

 

[Desert Snake]

Lol.........

 

[Iti oj]

Lol.........

What do you find funny?

 

[Desert Snake]

What do you find funny?

That discussion, I'm not sure what it's about but the possibilities are funny. Nevermind, it's like "this means this",,,'no actually it doesn't'..type of thing

 

[Iti oj]

That discussion, I'm not sure what it's about but the possibilities are funny. Nevermind, it's like "this means this",,,'no actually it doesn't'..type of thing

Yeah, an inherent flaw with god/religion/holy books.

 

[Iti oj]

To some extent. If the holy books can't be deciphered I'd say there is a serious problem with people understanding their own religion....Did you ever have a 'problem' reading the bible? Before others introduced their confusion? I didn't, or with deity or with belief...Yeah...just think about that for a moment...

Idk, I was highly indoctrinated. Very active in the catholic church, began studying for vocanioal at a young age etc.

Then one day a bad sermon woke me up. I asked my first question and never stopped questing.

 

[dust1n]

Mad Science: 'GM Micro Humans' 'Farmed' for Drug Testing : Natural Society

Lol, did anyone bother to read this article? It is criminally misrepresented.

Advances in science and human health = end of times.

 

[Desert Snake]

Idk, I was highly indoctrinated. Very active in the catholic church, began studying for vocanioal at a young age etc.

Then one day a bad sermon woke me up. I asked my first question and never stopped questing.

Ah I see, didn't know that.

 

[Iti oj]

Ah I see, didn't know that.

I hope you find insight in that.

 

[idav]

Lol, did anyone bother to read this article? It is criminally misrepresented.

Advances in science and human health = end of times.

When the black plague happened in the 1300s it took out about half of europe. Plenty thought the end of times then too, some groups flogging themselves to keep from god getting them sick. Well when it finally went away it wasnt the ned of humans, instead we saw humans flourish in a world where there was no longer such a battle for resources.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If that verse is read in context of the entire passage I think it is clear that Jesus is speaking in reference to a future generation, the generation which sees the signs He has just finished speaking about. It is this generation which will not pass away and will see His return. I believe one of the most indicative signs is that of the re-establishment of the nation of Israel.

It wouldnt be prophecy though for the present generation, so it serves no real purpose to speak of it then as it wouldnt apply to the people Jesus is speaking to.

I think it's a failed prophecy as well in light of the time and place according to how it's written.

 

[InChrist]

That makes no sense at all, why would he speak to the generation in front of him but really be meaning some future generation as yet unborn? Clearly he meant that some of those listening would still be alive when he returned - and of course he did not.

As I said before the context of the passage reveals who "this generation" is. First, it is important to note that the disciples were asking Him about the end of the age. Secondly, Jesus qualified who the generation was when He said..."Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." (Mt. 24:34) Did you notice the phrase...all these things take place? Prior to this verse and statement Jesus has just listed off a number of judgments and events which are to occur before the end comes. Events which are included in...all these things. All those events did not occur during the lifetime of the disciples living when Jesus was speaking, nor have they all completely occurred yet because they are end of the age events which the final generation will see occur. So again, I say it is very clear from the passage that Jesus was not referring to his contemporaries. It is the generation or "this generation" which sees "all these things take place" which will not pass away, but will see the Son of Man return.

 

[Bunyip]

As I said before the context of the passage reveals who "this generation" is. First, it is important to note that the disciples were asking Him about the end of the age. Secondly, Jesus qualified who the generation was when He said..."Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." (Mt. 24:34) Did you notice the phrase...all these things take place? Prior to this verse and statement Jesus has just listed off a number of judgments and events which are to occur before the end comes. Events which are included in...all these things. All those events did not occur during the lifetime of the disciples living when Jesus was speaking, nor have they all completely occurred yet because they are end of the age events which the final generation will see occur. So again, I say it is very clear from the passage that Jesus was not referring to his contemporaries. It is the generation or "this generation" which sees "all these things take place" which will not pass away, but will see the Son of Man return.

He is clearly referring to the generation alive at the time. THIS generation, not some future generation. You are being silly.