Would Jesus put up with the very wealthy and very poor?

[oldbadger]

I do not even try to align His political ideas (and in my opinion He does have political ideas) with any group in existence, I simply say "it is the Lord's." But in charity to neighbor to me it is self-evident that He would not allow injustice which is often a cause of these situations (consider the economic injustices which are the background of the Gospel and is a reason why He speaks of money so much, First-Century Galilee, Judae, Samaria, and the rest, were a mess), as He Himself spoke against that in various decrees. But He is not against wealth either, but that kind alone. That is all in my opinion of course.

Oh dear........................

Mark {10:21} Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor,

 

[oldbadger]

I can just imagine Jesus with Creflo Dollar or Kenneth Copeland at their heavily armed multi million dollar residences.

And this verse from Deuteronomy which Jesus actually referred to:-
Deuteronomy {15:11} For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.
(Powerful words!)

 

[Lain]

Oh dear........................

Mark {10:21} Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor,

Oh dear what? That is a beautiful passage.

It warms my heart that I am dear to you, in God's love you are dear to me too.

 

[oldbadger]

Even Jesus said "The poor you have with you always"

But Jesus was referring to one of the poor laws of Moses....... look.

Deuteronomy {15:11} For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.
(Powerful words!)

That's his command, 74x12

 

[oldbadger]

I believe He accepts all those who receive Him as Lord and Savior.

I believe you are in error both about wealth and poverty. I do believe He considers giving to the poor a mitzvah.

I believe He raises up who he wishes. Trump won.

So do you think that he caused the USA to fail against the Taliban?
No, Muffled......

But his words and actions showed what he thought about the greed and corruption and hypocrisy of fat greedy wealthy folks. One example.:-


Mark, {10:24} And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! Mark, {10:25} It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God

 

[oldbadger]

I do not believe so. He has His own justice. And if you think that he always holds to social justice, He mentions an unjust judge.

Tell us what Jesus said or did about the unjust Judge, Muffled.

 

[oldbadger]

I believe there is this one:
Luke 12:48 But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.

Luke {12:33} Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. {12:34} For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Ahhh..... the ways of mammon and excess.

 

[oldbadger]

Or a hippy if you are more nostalgic of the 60's and 70's. Yeah Jesus was a hardcore pacifist, acetic and paleo-communist. .

He was a fighter when needed, epronovost.
He told his men to sell unneeded items and buy swords. He trashed Anna's bazaar in the Temple. He picketed the Temple Courts.
Jesus was furious about the greed and corruption of Temple and Priesthood.

 

[oldbadger]

How did they accomplish all that, in your opinion?

But this thread is about what Jesus said and did.

 

[oldbadger]

Oh dear what? That is a beautiful passage.

It warms my heart that I am dear to you, in God's love you are dear to me too.

Thank you for that.
Now....... reading the words and actions of Jesus, do you think he was set against the unreasonable wealth of the Priesthood and for the disabled and unreasonably poor.

He supported the OT poor laws that stopped farmers from harvesting all their crops, or returning to collect mistakes.... and more.

 

[oldbadger]

I'd still like to hear how they think the economy works, because in the real world, in order to "destroy small businesses" like they claim, a small disorganized political group like "liberals" would require near godlike powers of manipulation and superhuman dedication to such a single-minded nonsense goal.

But this is about what Jesus said and did.

Like this.... Jesus supported the poor laws:-

Deuteronomy {15:1} At the end of [every] seven years thou shalt make a release. {15:2} And this [is] the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth [ought] unto his neighbour shall release [it;] he shall not exact [it] of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the LORD’S release.

 

[oldbadger]

A small disorganized political group? The entire world is blatantly ruled by a current liberal establishment including America, Europe etc.

If you guys don't even know that; then no wonder you think I'm ignorant and/or crazy. We're literally living in different worlds right? I just came out of a parallel universe and here I am. Hi.

The United Kingdom has a Conservative Government. So you're wrong in writing some of the above.

But what did Jesus say about unreasonable wealth and unreasonable poverty?

 

[oldbadger]

I would go with the examples that he lived by and what was written.

It would depend on the case.

Of course, if it is "unreasonable" then it remains unreasonable.

Fair enough.
Jesus scorned the careless rich. In his time that was the Levite clan which included the Priesthood. Look at how he cut in to them both in this parable:-

Luke:- . {10:31} And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. {10:32} And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked [on him,] and passed by on the other side. {10:33} But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion [on him, ]{10:34} And went to [him,] and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
(See how Jesus scorned the rich and leaders in the above story!)

 

[74x12]

Haha! No, just that global elitist conspiracies tend to involve lizard people.

Not that I don't think the uber-wealthy have clean hands when it comes to economics by any means. But suggesting that they are liberal and the cause of current wealth inequalities seems to be mistaking the menu for the food, so to speak.

They aren't real liberals. Just posing as them.

 

[74x12]

The United Kingdom has a Conservative Government. So you're wrong in writing some of the above.

But what did Jesus say about unreasonable wealth and unreasonable poverty?

Conservative, conshemrvative. Of course the establishment isn't necessarily who is currently the president or prime minister. It goes deeper than that. Besides Boris has been a let down to many British conservatives.

 

[blü 2]

Would Jesus put up with unreasonable wealth and unreasonable poverty?
He didn't accept it back then, and I don't think he would now.
He would definitely support the centre-left, I think.

Didn't accept it?

Matthew 26 says

6 Now when Jesus was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, 7 a woman came up to him with an alabaster flask of very expensive ointment, and she poured it on his head, as he sat at table. 8 But when the disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, "Why this waste? 9 For this ointment might have been sold for a large sum, and given to the poor." 10 But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a beautiful thing to me. 11 For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.​

That sounds like acceptance to me.

But then there's always Matthew 19

20 The young man said to him, "All these I have observed; what do I still lack?" 21 Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions. 23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."​

Though as I understand it, the idea that the rich have their own heaven is still very popular.

I really should take the time to check what the Jesuses of Paul, Mark, Luke and John say on the subject, just to be fair, of course.

 

[epronovost]

He was a fighter when needed, epronovost.
He told his men to sell unneeded items and buy swords. He trashed Anna's bazaar in the Temple. He picketed the Temple Courts.
Jesus was furious about the greed and corruption of Temple and Priesthood.

And hippies took part in many riots. They were furious about the US imperialism, corruption, inequalities and wars.

 

[74x12]

But Jesus was referring to one of the poor laws of Moses....... look.

Deuteronomy {15:11} For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.
(Powerful words!)

That's his command, 74x12

Which command Jesus obeyed and was constantly giving to the poor. But he doesn't even make a brother divide the inheritance with his brother. (Luke 12:14) There is a difference between preaching/teaching that people should give to the poor and forcing them to do so. I don't see Jesus advocating theft under color of law.

 

[Lain]

Thank you for that.
Now....... reading the words and actions of Jesus, do you think he was set against the unreasonable wealth of the Priesthood and for the disabled and unreasonably poor.

He supported the OT poor laws that stopped farmers from harvesting all their crops, or returning to collect mistakes.... and more.

He absolutely was against that. In my opinion He gave the OT poor laws, so it shows His values.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And this verse from Deuteronomy which Jesus actually referred to:-
Deuteronomy {15:11} For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.
(Powerful words!)

I like that verse. Even if I don't follow Christianity anymore, it's definitely powerful in its context to be aware that there are those who are in less fortunate circumstances than others.