Would you allow your child to marry and Atheist?

[Storm]

Excellent dodge!!!

What am I supposed to have dodged? I asked if you applied your standards consistently, and you threw a hissy fit.

 

[blackout]

Lack of belief a poison? How so? Does an Atheist use an imaginary being for support and comfort rather than seek inner strength? Does an Atheist rely on said being for his or her morals? Do Atheist attempt to force their non-belief on school children? Do they proclaim that having a lack of belief makes someone a lesser human? Has a lack of belief caused untold misery and death throughout the history of our species? really now!!

An athiest CAN use lack of belief to ummm... belittle those of us who find empowerment in the deliberate suspension of disbelief to our own personal purposes. It is just as wrong to proclaim those of us who "believe" things less intelligent. Anyway we all choose to believe & not believe things. Or suspend our disbelief for the sake of something else. (like suspending ones disbelief in a political candidate for the sake of the bigger picture of the election) Certainly belief in leadership of ANY kind has caused untold misery and death throughout the history of our species. (both theist and non theist alike)

Oh, and some of us multiply& release our inner strenth in "other" persona.
My I'doll for example INSPIRES me to be my most Ultra self as she and i merge as One.
Is she real? yes. As her effect on me IS in fact very real and very empowering.
She "becomes" releases and inspires my inner strength... as she IS my inner strength in goddess/persona form.


Not really arguing anything here.
These were just the thoughts that came to mind when I read your post.

 

[richardlowellt]

It is just as wrong to proclaim those of us who "believe" things less intelligent.

I don't believe I EVER said anything about those who believe to be less intelligent.

Anyway we all choose to believe & not believe things. Or suspend our disbelief for the sake of something else.

I'm not sure I know what this means, "suspend our disbelief?"

(like suspending ones disbelief in a political candidate for the sake of the bigger picture of the election) Certainly belief in leadership of ANY kind has caused untold misery and death throughout the history of our species. (both theist and non theist alike)[/COLOR][/B]

Oh, and some of us multiply& release our inner strenth in "other" persona.
My I'doll for example INSPIRES me to be my most Ultra self as she and i merge as One.
Is she real? yes. As her effect on me IS in fact very real and very empowering.
She "becomes" releases and inspires my inner strength... as she IS my inner strength in goddess/persona form.

Humm---I guess I'm glad you find inner strength in this I'doll thing, whatever that is. That you "know" she is real, and that you are able to "merge" with her, and that she is in goddess/persona form, is what causes some of us to roll our eyes and shake our heads. That you know something non-existent is real is a really good example of "faith"

Not really arguing anything here.
These were just the thoughts that came to mind when I read your post.[/QUOTE]

 

[blackout]

I don't believe I EVER said anything about those who believe to be less intelligent.

I'm not sure I know what this means, "suspend our disbelief?"

(like suspending ones disbelief in a political candidate for the sake of the bigger picture of the election) Certainly belief in leadership of ANY kind has caused untold misery and death throughout the history of our species. (both theist and non theist alike)[/color][/b]

Humm---I guess I'm glad you find inner strength in this I'doll thing, whatever that is. That you "know" she is real, and that you are able to "merge" with her, and that she is in goddess/persona form, is what causes some of us to roll our eyes and shake our heads. That you know something non-existent is real is a really good example of "faith"

Not really arguing anything here.
These were just the thoughts that came to mind when I read your post.

She IS my highest, strongest, most radiant, shining, realized and empowered Self.
My Ultra Self.
My deep love & adoration of her as she is raised up on the highest place of my altar/alter...
serves as a daily reminder and inSpiration of the Me I am BEcoming.
Her "form"... embodies & accellerates my transFormation.

If you do not understand what I have said here,
I'll just give it a rest in this thread.

It'll just get further and further off topic.

~Ultra-Violet~



PS... eye rolling and head shaking is an outward sign that you feel your sense of 'understanding' to be superior (ie... more intelligent)
Not that I care mind you. I do not expect others to understand the power or meaning of my own personal symbolisms and embodiments.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

I say of course, but I would still advise them to look ahead to the future and have them consider if the difference in religion will cause problems.

 

[richardlowellt]

PS... eye rolling and head shaking is an outward sign that you feel your sense of 'understanding' to be superior (ie... more intelligent)

No, just more realistic,reasonable, and logical.

 

[Riverwolf]

Does an Atheist use an imaginary being for support and comfort rather than seek inner strength?

And this is bad, how?

Does an Atheist rely on said being for his or her morals?

No. He relies on what is currently accepted as moral, even if said morality would be obsolete within centuries.

And by the way, not all theists rely on personal gods for their morals. I, for one, do not. My moral code was set long before I adapted any sort of established spiritual path, and is subject to change from experience alone. (In fact, one of the reasons I adapted Vedantic philosophy was because I had pretty much already believed it without knowing it.)

Do Atheist attempt to force their non-belief on school children?

Not on schoolchildren alone, but... "There is probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." How is this not a form of atheistic proselytizing? (Not to mention probably the WORST way to try getting people to stop believing, as it sounds like something Satan would say.)

Do they proclaim that having a lack of belief makes someone a lesser human?

Not explicitly (and probably not always intentionally), but certainly implicitly.

Has a lack of belief caused untold misery and death throughout the history of our species? really now!!

Yes, actually. Those who convince others as well as themselves that they believe in something without actually sticking to what's taught through deeds. A person who does not act how he believes does not really believe.

 

[logician]

Religion should be a private thing, not subject to the approval by others, either in a marriage situation, or otherwise.

 

[blackout]

No, just more realistic,reasonable, and logical.

To your way of thinking.

My girlfriend is an Athiest, yet she understands my way of thinking exceptionally well.
She understands my "reasoning" process exceptionally well.
She "gets" my logic, and finds me interesting...
a source of interest.
(as I do her)
She is an encouragement to me.
You would be an annoyance. bzzzz...
(nothing personal)

So really as I said before... it all depends on the athiest.:cover:

 

[richardlowellt]

And this is bad, how?

Crutches of any kind are bad, especially religious crutches, and especially when the young are indoctrinated into that mindset. "an invisible man in the sky who loves you will take care of you if your in trouble, just pray to him" So therefore the skill of learning how to deal with adversity is never fully realized.

Not on schoolchildren alone, but... "There is probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." How is this not a form of atheistic proselytizing? (Not to mention probably the WORST way to try getting people to stop believing, as it sounds like something Satan would say.)

And who wants this taught to children? How wants this forced o the general public in politics and in schools? Please give me the name of the person or persons or the organization. Thanks

Not explicitly (and probably not always intentionally), but certainly implicitly.

I rest my case!!

 

[richardlowellt]

My girlfriend is an Athiest, yet she understands my way of thinking exceptionally well.

Possibly because she is your girlfriend!!

 

[Riverwolf]

Crutches of any kind are bad, especially religious crutches, and especially when the young are indoctrinated into that mindset. "an invisible man in the sky who loves you will take care of you if your in trouble, just pray to him" So therefore the skill of learning how to deal with adversity is never fully realized.

Crutches are only bad if they are used by those who do not need them.

Now... "God will help you if only you pray" is, I agree, complete nonsense. I would NEVER teach such a thing to any child.

And who wants this taught to children? How wants this forced o the general public in politics and in schools? Please give me the name of the person or persons or the organization. Thanks

Are you trying to tell me that you haven't seen that proverb on bumper stickers and bus ads?

I rest my case!!

Indeed. I, too, still have a long way to go to completely purge my superiority complex from my subconscious.

 

[blackout]

No. He relies on what is currently accepted as moral, even if said morality would be obsolete within centuries.

And by the way, not all theists rely on personal gods for their morals. I, for one, do not. My moral code was set long before I adapted any sort of established spiritual path, and is subject to change from experience alone. (In fact, one of the reasons I adapted Vedantic philosophy was because I had pretty much already believed it without knowing it.)

Most athiests adapt their moral code from the traditions of society,
not the depths of their own self.
How do you think the average athiest parents would react if their child told them they were going to live out a polyamorous family lifestyle,
with multiple partners... perhaps with a "triad" configuration (or more).
(ie... 3 or 4 "to a bed")
Having kids with more than one partner as well maybe?

My dad would be like? What?!
But on what basis would his reaction be founded?
Societal "tradition" or status-quo.
nothing more, nothing less.

 

[idea]

I will encourage my children to marry another who holds similar beliefs as they do. I will not dictate to my children what to believe, but I think marriages last longer if both in the marriage hold similar beliefs.

 

[Riverwolf]

Most athiests adapt their moral code from the traditions of society,
not the depths of their own self.
How do you think the average athiest parents would react if their child told them they were going to live out a polyamorous family lifestyle,
with multiple partners... perhaps with a "triad" configuration (or more).
Having kids with more than one partner as well maybe?

My dad would be like? What?!
But on what basis would his reaction be founded?
Societal "tradition" or status-quo.
nothing more, nothing less.

He is admirable who can find personal morality, and stick to it firmly, without any influence save experience and knowledge; theist or not.

 

[richardlowellt]

Crutches are only bad if they are used by those who do not need them.

No one should need crutches of any kind to substitute for developing inner strength.

Now... "God will help you if only you pray" is, I agree, complete nonsense. I would NEVER teach such a thing to any child.

Yet religion does it in religious summer camps, sunday school and in church, the concept is taken home by the parents and further drilled into their malleable young minds.

Are you trying to tell me that you haven't seen that proverb on bumper stickers and bus ads?

Are you trying to say thats the same as trying to introduce religion into public schools, politics, and government? There are also bumper stickers that say "eat **** 400 trillion fly's can't be wrong"



Indeed. I, too, still have a long way to go to completely purge my superiority complex from my subconscious.[/QUOTE]

 

[blackout]

Possibly because she is your girlfriend!!

More likely that is WHY she is my girlfriend.

 

[Caladan]

Most athiests adapt their moral code from the traditions of society,

Or shape the morality of their social surroundings.

not the depths of their own self.

Thinking atheists have no other objective source for intellect and morality outside their own self.

 

[Riverwolf]

No one should need crutches of any kind to substitute for developing inner strength.

And this is far more difficult for some than for others. In fact, for some, it is impossible.

Yet religion does it in religious summer camps, sunday school and in church, the concept is taken home by the parents and further drilled into their malleable young minds.

There is little to be done to remedy such naivete.

Are you trying to say thats the same as trying to introduce religion into public schools, politics, and government?

Proselytizing is proselytizing, however the method and whatever the belief.

 

[blackout]

Or shape the morality of their social surroundings.

Which is just as true for many theists.

Thinking atheists have no other objective source for intellect and morality outside their own self.

The "societal" norm.
Ok, well.... there are most likely just as many athiests who don't think (for themselves) as theists.
People are generally followers by nature.
To go against the "norm" takes great personal resolve and is a lifelong dedication.