Would you marry a gay couple...

[Father Heathen]

Can I ask what is "Christian" about a gay marriage? Can they not get "married" in a non-religious ceremony? Civil ceremonies do not involve sanctioning something God would never recognize.

Matt 19:4-6:
Jesus said....“Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female 5 and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart."

God would never "yoke" together a same sex couple. Marriage mates must be "male and female".
I believe that your logic is sadly flawed and distorted by the world's attitude, not God's. The laws of the land do not override the laws of God. When did he change his mind about homosexuality? Sexual sin is sexual sin...no matter what the gender is.

Since when did Christianity have a monopoly on marriage? Why should those who are not christian give a damn about the hang ups of those who are? Conversely, why do Christians feel it necessary to impose their beliefs upon those who don't share them? Why can't people worry about their own business?

 

[Jabar]

BOSS...


Not really though because most people in today's society are brainwashed and deceived by others opinions.

Me personally would never, no offense to gays, i might act gay here and there for fun but like 4 real gay, idk.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would gladly marry a lesbian couple if the two of them also were bisexual. Being a bigamist would be fun.

That would depend upon what one's Mrs is like.
Mrs Revolt is Chinese, so she must know kung fu.
Perhaps not.....but I don't want to find out the painful way.

 

[RedDragon94]

I grew up as a very conservative Southern Baptist

You and me man.

Can I ask what your Christian denomination is now? I'm guessing it's not Southern Baptist.

I added that I personally do not agree with a gay lifestyle,

Why not? They care about each other as much as any straight couple.

 

[Brian Schuh]

You and me man.

Can I ask what your Christian denomination is now? I'm guessing it's not Southern Baptist.

Why not? They care about each other as much as any straight couple.

That's what is scary. The state of Michigan just outlawed anal intercourse between males. I say outlaw felatio and anal intercourse for all couples, gay or straight or bi ( in case of multiple partners.) That would only leave heterosexuals and lesbians who could have sex. Gay men could not claim discrimination as it would be across the board, no felatio or anal intercourse for anyone, gay or straight. What ya think?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

That's what is scary. The state of Michigan just outlawed anal intercourse between males. I say outlaw felatio and anal intercourse for all couples, gay or straight or bi ( in case of multiple partners.) That would only leave heterosexuals and lesbians who could have sex. Gay men could not claim discrimination as it would be across the board, no felatio or anal intercourse for anyone, gay or straight. What ya think?

Not really. See: http://www.snopes.com/michigan-senate-crime-against-nature/

The new bill was about animal cruelty, and it amended a section of state law that still contains what they call "unenforceable" language about sodomy and bestiality.

 

[RedDragon94]

That's what is scary. The state of Michigan just outlawed anal intercourse between males. I say outlaw felatio and anal intercourse for all couples, gay or straight or bi ( in case of multiple partners.) That would only leave heterosexuals and lesbians who could have sex. Gay men could not claim discrimination as it would be across the board, no felatio or anal intercourse for anyone, gay or straight. What ya think?

I think that is invasive of what grown adults choose to do.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Not really. See: http://www.snopes.com/michigan-senate-crime-against-nature/

The new bill was about animal cruelty, and it amended a section of state law that still contains what they call "unenforceable" language about sodomy and bestiality.

No sodomy laws are enforceable.

When Obama repealed the federal law against sodomy, the law was against sodomy and bestiality. So I guess an 18 year old girl could perform felatio on a horse, video tape it and send it to an army recruiter and still join the army.

Moses was bright enough to make bestiality and sodomy two separate laws.

 

[Deeje]

My logic is not flawed. Politically and socially I am a libertarian.

You are a libertarian...but NOT a Christian....that explains a lot.

I believe in our Constitution and have taken an oath twice to uphold and defend it (army & police). Religion can't dictate the law, period.

Jesus taught his disciples something completely different. (Acts 5:29) God's laws always take precedence over man's laws. That includes Jesus' command to 'love our enemies'...so your service (army and police) contravenes Jesus' commands, since both of these require you to kill people when you are told to. 'Loving your enemies' is hard, but hating them is easy, especially when fired up by propaganda. Perception management works.

Everyone in this country is entitled to the same rights as everyone else, and that includes marriage...or being a brain washed, misguided JW.

You are absolutely right, but then Jesus told us to be NO part of this world and its political ambitions, agendas and aims because of who is ruling it. (1 John 5:19).I see his stamp on everything and one day the lid will be lifted and people will see exactly what they have been putting their faith in. It will be shocking.

Rights under man's law have little to do with the Creator and upholding his laws.The devil uses mind control to achieve his aims and always has. (2 Cor 4:4, 5) Disobedience to God's laws result. The trouble is the ones who are truly brainwashed are the ones pointing the fingers at others. We will all see at the end of the day...won't we?

Second, I am a deist. Your holy books mean very little to me, other than as a course of study in my pursuit of world theology.

What holy books mean anything to you? As a deist, how does your God communicate with you? Has he just created the universe and us and left us to sort things out for ourselves? We are making a right mess of everything...is he going to do anything about it or will he just let us eliminate all life on this planet as a result of our selfishness and greed? If this is so, then how is your god better than what you think mine is?

Does he require anything of you at all?

You want to toss around some Bible verses; here are some for YOU:

Matthew 5:39

O, but you forgot to post the rest of Jesus statement....“Moreover, it was said: ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 However, I say to you that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of sexual immorality, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

The Jews were not taking their marriage vows seriously and divorcing their wives on any pretext...Jesus set them straight. NO divorce except on the grounds of infidelity.

Matthew 7:1

That was about making personal judgments about our fellow believers, making it appear as if the judge was somehow better than the one being judged. (read verse 3-5)

But there are definitely areas of life where we need to make judgments.....our religious beliefs are certainly one of them. Our associations, our mode of worship, our morals all need to be evaluated, which requires judgment.
Jesus exposed religious error by using the scriptures but as you have demonstrated, the scriptures can be twisted by those who are looking for faults...taking them out of context as you have done. "A little (scriptural) knowledge is a dangerous thing"...

Matthew 22:36-40

Interesting quote when you already know (and so do I) that Christendom demonstrates very little love for God or neighbor, when they will take up arms and break God's law in a heartbeat if they feel justified in doing so.
Nationalism usually provides the motivation, backed up by the actions and leading of clergy. (James 4:4)

Lastly, if the Christian God winds up being "the god," and It punishes people for being gay, well...that is between God and them, not you. Until that time, mind your own business and keep your religious views out of our laws. The latter should not be a problem because the founding fathers of this country intentionally wrote the Constitution to prevent the Church from being a part of the central government.

I am not American and have little interest in anyone's "founding fathers". The only "Father" I serve is the God and Father of Jesus Christ. As appointed judge of all mankind, we will all stand before him one day and we will see what he thinks of our religious choices.

How is anyone to know God's thoughts on any matter unless they read and follow his word? If you follow the lead of the world, I assure you that it is a dead end.

BTW, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison and to a lesser degree George Washington, were....DEISTS.

So? Your national heroes mean nothing to me.
Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian....yet he taught his followers the correct way to worship his God. First Jews and then Gentiles became separated from a corrupt religious system and formed a new "WAY" to worship the true God.

If you are an "ordained minister", in what sense do you serve as such and who is your God? What religion recognizes your "ordination". Since it is clear that you are not a Christian, then our rules don't apply to you anyway...so what's the deal? You are free to "marry" whomever you like......you don't have to answer to anyone but your Creator.

 

[Draka]

The Jews were not taking their marriage vows seriously and divorcing their wives on any pretext...Jesus set them straight. NO divorce except on the grounds of infidelity.

This is one thing I have never been able to swallow. The ONLY excuse for divorce is sexual immorality? The ONLY excuse? If anyone was divorced for any other reason and they remarry they are an adulterer? Or, in certain people's eyes, shouldn't be allowed to remarry period? Truly, do you believe the ONLY acceptable reason for divorce is infidelity?

 

[Deeje]

So the aspects of Biblical law that inconvenience you personally are no longer valid, but the ones that reinforce your prejudices must be enforced at all costs?

What a vagelyhumanoid comment.

If you are a Christian...you follow Jesus...if you are not, then do whatever you like. How hard is that to understand? If some Christians think they can follow the world and still remain true to Christ's teachings, I can scripturally say that they are mistaken. You can be gay OR a Christian, but you can't be both without ignoring a lot of what Christ taught. I hasten to add that gays are not precluded from becoming Christians, but they cannot practice same sex and remain innocent in God's eyes. Becoming a "eunuch" for the sake of one's faith is a sacrifice that many have made. (Matt 19:12) It is not life threatening to refrain from having sex. People do it all the time.

If Jesus was prejudiced, then so am I and I make no apology for it. I do not force my views on anyone nor do I lobby for things to be made the law of the land. I stand up for God's law.
What others do is none of my business....what I do, is. Expressing views is what forums are about...NO? I am expressing a view. It is unpopular but it is mine.

 

[Deeje]

This is one thing I have never been able to swallow. The ONLY excuse for divorce is sexual immorality? The ONLY excuse? If anyone was divorced for any other reason and they remarry they are an adulterer? Or, in certain people's eyes, shouldn't be allowed to remarry period? Truly, do you believe the ONLY acceptable reason for divorce is infidelity?

Yes. Often people can have very unrealistic ideas about what it means to be "married". They get carried away with the expensive fairytale wedding and the "happily ever afters" and forget that they are the blending of two very imperfect people. The Bible's advice works because it tells us to concentrate on the qualities of the person we are contemplating spending the rest of our lives with. As well as the qualities of the person, it is also forbidden to "try before you buy" in this arrangement. No sex before marriage means that this factor is not the one determining whether a person will make a good life partner. Being 'good in bed' can sometimes blind a person to bad characteristics that may surface later and destroy the bond. The Bible recommends a three way marriage...a husband, a wife and the one who "yoked" them together. If both see their roles clearly, as outlined in the Bible, and each one keeps to their assigned role, the marriage will last because God is at the center of it. Each will put the other's needs ahead of their own.

In today's world people do everything back to front. They move in together, have children and sometimes get married after living together for years. Often this dooms the marriage for some reason and divorce soon follows. We have to ask why? Is it the "C" word? Is commitment to a vow really that hard? Apparently it is. The freedom to walk out the door seems to be what holds couples together....but those who can stay in a committed relationship where there is no freedom to walk out the door are more likely to stay and try and work things out because God would want then to. Jehovah's Witnesses have one of the lowest divorce rates in the world because we have God's view of marriage, not man's.

 

[Deeje]

Human reasoning has given humanity philosophy, the scientific method, a greater (and continually expanding) understanding of ourselves and the wider Universe and has vastly improved our quality of & the average human lifespan. What has relying on God ever given us? More to the point, what has relying on someone else's interpretation of "God's laws" ever gotten us?

I think you need to have a good look around you and see exactly what man's thinking has done "in" the world and "to" it. At what cost did man achieve his ambitions?
In improving his lifespan has he given him a better old age? We might be living longer...but are we living better? Sometimes I think the dementia epidemic is actually a blessing.

How does man solve the problems of this world, when man IS the problem? God at least offers some hope for the future....man offers us nothing but more of the same. Things are getting worse by the minute.....who has the solutions? Seriously.

 

[Deeje]

Is it any wonder that even in the US the number of believers is falling???

Matthew 7:13-14 Matthew 24:37-39......It was foretold.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

I guess it depends on personal beliefs. If a bigot who calls himself a Christian doesn't wish to marry two men but fine with remarriages, that's fine, as long as he's not in a public office.
But also can't whine when they are discriminated against for their views.
But when that bigot tries to enforce these laws on others based on his beliefs but gladly consumes Beef and pork, even violence is justified in resisting them.

Christianity has dictated the lives of others for a long time now and for their dogma slaughtered alternative ideas.
But can't be practiced today at least.

I m even fine with polygamous marriages! Plus, to see the smile on elderly same sex couples after getting married though staying together for 60 and even 70 years... I guess that's the difference between Dharma and dogma.

 

[Neo Deist]

You are a libertarian...but NOT a Christian....that explains a lot.

I was "saved" at the age of to include baptism. I spent 30 years as a Christian. There are those that believe in eternal security, and according to them I am indeed a Christian.

Jesus taught his disciples something completely different. (Acts 5:29) God's laws always take precedence over man's laws. That includes Jesus' command to 'love our enemies'...so your service (army and police) contravenes Jesus' commands, since both of these require you to kill people when you are told to. 'Loving your enemies' is hard, but hating them is easy, especially when fired up by propaganda. Perception management works.

At least I have the courage to serve. I don't hide behind "God's law" in order to avoid noble service. And since when do I, as a police officer, kill people when "I am told to"? I have been a cop for 12+ years and have yet to fire my pistol/rifle/shotgun at anyone. I work in one of the highest crime rated cities in the country.

There is a reason why Hitler used JWs "slaves" around his compounds. He knew you were pacifists and would never do anything against him or the Nazis.

Rights under man's law have little to do with the Creator and upholding his laws.The devil uses mind control to achieve his aims and always has. (2 Cor 4:4, 5) Disobedience to God's laws result. The trouble is the ones who are truly brainwashed are the ones pointing the fingers at others. We will all see at the end of the day...won't we?

The devil? LOL! Once again, we have this archaic notion of some supernatural boogeyman that people can blame all the bad crap on. I guess he is a Jedi Knight, and using his mind tricks on weak minded fools.

I believe in God as the creator, who is omnipotent. If this "devil" were truly God's nemesis/arch enemy, God could just snap His divine fingers and un-create the devil, thus saving everyone the trouble.

What holy books mean anything to you? As a deist, how does your God communicate with you? Has he just created the universe and us and left us to sort things out for ourselves? We are making a right mess of everything...is he going to do anything about it or will he just let us eliminate all life on this planet as a result of our selfishness and greed? If this is so, then how is your god better than what you think mine is?

Holy books are interesting to read in order to broaden one's understanding of world theology. How does God communicate with me? He does not have to. I choose to live a moral life, and I appreciate the beauty of creation that is around me.

Did he leave us on our own? If you believe in free will (I do), then yes, He did. That is not to say that God can't be saddened by poor choices or tragedy. God is the ultimate example of "standing by your convictions."

Do you know what causes the most trouble on this planet? Organized religion.

It is very likely that we worship the same God. You just put a bunch of man made drivel that was written thousands of years ago, into the equation.

Jesus exposed religious error by using the scriptures but as you have demonstrated, the scriptures can be twisted by those who are looking for faults...taking them out of context as you have done. "A little (scriptural) knowledge is a dangerous thing"...

As a JW, you have no room to talk about taking the Bible out of context. The NWT is the most paraphrased, "we want it to say THIS" translation in existence.

Interesting quote when you already know (and so do I) that Christendom demonstrates very little love for God or neighbor, when they will take up arms and break God's law in a heartbeat if they feel justified in doing so. Nationalism usually provides the motivation, backed up by the actions and leading of clergy. (James 4:4)

The commandment is "thou shall not murder." God even commanded the Israelites to kill (wage war). What you call nationalism, I call patriotism.

If you are an "ordained minister", in what sense do you serve as such and who is your God? What religion recognizes your "ordination". Since it is clear that you are not a Christian, then our rules don't apply to you anyway...so what's the deal? You are free to "marry" whomever you like......you don't have to answer to anyone but your Creator.

My God, is God the creator.

I am a deist. Deism is not a religion; it is a philosophy. I serve no man made religion, full of its biases and discriminations.

 

[Draka]

Yes. Often people can have very unrealistic ideas about what it means to be "married". They get carried away with the expensive fairytale wedding and the "happily ever afters" and forget that they are the blending of two very imperfect people. The Bible's advice works because it tells us to concentrate on the qualities of the person we are contemplating spending the rest of our lives with. As well as the qualities of the person, it is also forbidden to "try before you buy" in this arrangement. No sex before marriage means that this factor is not the one determining whether a person will make a good life partner. Being 'good in bed' can sometimes blind a person to bad characteristics that may surface later and destroy the bond. The Bible recommends a three way marriage...a husband, a wife and the one who "yoked" them together. If both see their roles clearly, as outlined in the Bible, and each one keeps to their assigned role, the marriage will last because God is at the center of it. Each will put the other's needs ahead of their own.

In today's world people do everything back to front. They move in together, have children and sometimes get married after living together for years. Often this dooms the marriage for some reason and divorce soon follows. We have to ask why? Is it the "C" word? Is commitment to a vow really that hard? Apparently it is. The freedom to walk out the door seems to be what holds couples together....but those who can stay in a committed relationship where there is no freedom to walk out the door are more likely to stay and try and work things out because God would want then to. Jehovah's Witnesses have one of the lowest divorce rates in the world because we have God's view of marriage, not man's.

So. Good to know you think a woman should not divorce a man who beats her, chokes her, beats the kids, rapes her, emotionally and verbally abuses and torments her. Those are not valid reasons for divorce. She should just take it. Even if he attempts or threatens to kill her she must stay married to him. Yeah, NO.

 

[Deeje]

So. Good to know you think a woman should not divorce a man who beats her, chokes her, beats the kids, rapes her, emotionally and verbally abuses and torments her. Those are not valid reasons for divorce. She should just take it. Even if he attempts or threatens to kill her she must stay married to him. Yeah, NO.

O dear.....you are not talking about Christians here are you? No Christian would treat a wife or husband that way. You are speaking about people who have no thought about how their mate views their conduct, let alone God.

A Christian who might be married to an unbeliever and experiences such things has choices...they can leave such an abusive relationship but they are not free to divorce and remarry unless their mate commits adultery. Usually when a man has those tendencies, a wife does not have to wait long for her release. She just needs proof of his infidelity.

No one says she has to stay and take violent abuse.

 

[Neo Deist]

O dear.....you are not talking about Christians here are you? No Christian would treat a wife or husband that way.

Wake up to reality. There are plenty of Christians that have emotional/drug/alcohol problems, and they turn violent when their button is pushed. Are you really that naive?

 

[psychoslice]

Yes I would marry a gay couple, and I would even consider marring a hetero couple.