Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

[IndigoChild5559]

Again, you like using the tribal angle of the North american indigenous people. It's cute to say the least.

I have studied the Native American tribes since I was 10, being especially enamored of the Lakota and the Dineh, so it is simply easier for to use them as examples of tribal peoples. But we can use the Zulu as the example if you wish.

"WE" ??

Since I'm a Jew, the collective communal experiences of my People belong to me as well.

If you ever have the opportunity to attend a Seder meal, you will notice that all of it is conducted in first person plural. WE were slaves in Egypt. God delivered US with a mighty hand.

 

[Bthoth]

Another exampple of you trying to create a straw man to knock down. Herod was king of Judea, not Isarel.

OK.... place of the city of blood (jerusalem)..... And per you, not israel.

Modern Israel declared Jerusalem its eternal capital in 1949.

Again, not by the majority on the earth UN in the 181 resolution, that created israel.

It was also the capital of a number of different Jewish nation states, such as Judea, Judah, and the united Kingdom of Israel.

Funny stuff. Now you equate a slew of locations to be jewish nations. And let me guess by torah, nothing truly of archaeology to confirm 'Jewish' as the nation.

A name held in bible/torah does not make the story true. Those are religious narrative not reality, about like your above mentioned 'Declared' term which means very little in the real world.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

OK.... place of the city of blood (jerusalem)..... And per you, not israel.

Why would you call it the city of blood? Jerusalem actually means "City of Peace."

Again, not by the majority on the earth UN in the 181 resolution, that created israel.

Every nation gets to decide their own capital, or to change their capital someplace new if they choose. New York City was actually the first capital of the US, before we moved it to Washington DC.

 

[Bthoth]

I have studied the Native American tribes since I was 10, being especially enamored of the Lakota and the Dineh,

Utah, AZ, New mexico Four corners region.... OK. That does not make you an authority of what the term tribe means.

so it is simply easier for to use them as examples of tribal peoples. But we can use the Zulu as the example if you wish.

At least africa is closer to israels root foundations

Since I'm a Jew, the collective communal experiences of my People belong to me as well.

Belongs? I get disgusted with the whole proprietary idea...... As if being jewish makes a person the authority of torah and jerusalem.

If you ever have the opportunity to attend a Seder meal, you will notice that all of it is conducted in first person plural. WE were slaves in Egypt. God delivered US with a mighty hand.

Okey dokey............... funny part is, that old model is religiously bound, not real world or archaeologically driven nor supported.

It would be about like trying to speak for the hopi because you know where the navajo nation exists.

Per the hopi, who created the universe?

 

[Bthoth]

Why would you call it the city of blood? Jerusalem actually means "City of Peace."

The tanakh has it written as the 'city of blood' Just as that material calls israel the dross. And i quote "ALL Of them".

Every nation gets to decide their own capital, or to change their capital someplace new if they choose.

Not in the case of jerusalem. As the populations of the earth as represented in the UN, apparently knew of the obsession for the city and that the dome of the rock building was too important than to allow it to be torn down by extremist, aka terrorist of the 30's and 40's

That is perhaps why it is a UNESCO heritage site.

New York City was actually the first capital of the US, before we moved it to Washington DC.

OK.... Has nothing to do with the city of blood, Jerusalem. But you do like to push your chest out as if mankind must comply. Now I see why kennedy was ticked that israel built dimona reactor, HE perhaps understood how arrogant some folk can get with having WMDs.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Utah, AZ, New mexico Four corners region.... OK. That does not make you an authority of what the term tribe means.

I am not the authority on what ANY English word means. For that, you go either to the Dictionary, or to the specialty that uses the word. I am simply using the word tribe correctly.

Oxford definition:
tribe
/trīb/
noun
1.
a social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader.

Anthropological definition:
tribe, in anthropology, a notional form of human social organization based on a set of smaller groups (known as bands), having temporary or permanent political integration, and defined by traditions of common descent, language, culture, and ideology.

Per the hopi, who created the universe?

Tawa, the sun spirit. Why do you ask? It's off topic AGAIN. Are you really this incapable for focus on one topic?

 

[Bthoth]

I am not the authority on what ANY English word means. For that, you go either to the Dictionary, or to the specialty that uses the word. I am simply using the word tribe correctly.

OK

Oxford definition:
tribe
/trīb/
noun
1.
a social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader.

Great

Anthropological definition:
tribe, in anthropology, a notional form of human social organization based on a set of smaller groups (known as bands), having temporary or permanent political integration, and defined by traditions of common descent, language, culture, and ideology.

OK.....

Tawa, the sun spirit. Why do you ask? It's off topic AGAIN. Are you really this incapable for focus on one topic?

I was wondering if your belief could be combined with others, rather than you expecting to be an authority of 'we'

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The tanakh has it written as the 'city of blood' Just as that material calls israel the dross. And i quote "ALL Of them".

The only instance I know of where "city of blood" is mentioned in the Tanakh is in Nahum 3:1, where Ninevah is called the city of blood.

 

[Bthoth]

The only instance I know of where "city of blood" is mentioned in the Tanakh is in Nahum 3:1, where Ninevah is called the city of blood.

OOps!

Did you just evidence not being a good authority:

""
The word of the Lord came to me:

2 “Son of man, will you judge her? Will you judge this city of bloodshed? Then confront her with all her detestable practices 3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You city that brings on herself doom by shedding blood in her midst and defiles herself by making idols,""""


That was fun. I followed your tangent, mentioned a phrase that you never knew within your very tanakh and evidenced just how lazy the so called authority have become.

Please try to be fair before getting mad, I would never want to harm an honest soul. But i have very little patience with the arrogant and dross

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I was wondering if your belief could be combined with others, rather than you expecting to be an authority of 'we'

Since I am not even a smidgeon Hopi, it would be inappropriate for me to refer the the Hopi as "We" or "us" or their stories as "ours." However, I have enjoyed studying Hopi mythology and culture. When I was younger, I went on a trip to visit the four sacred mountains of the Dineh, and during that trip spent an entire day on one of the Hopi mesas speaking with a woman who was a clay potter. The experience was one of the highlights of my life.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

2 “Son of man, will you judge her? Will you judge this city of bloodshed?

Oh, okay. You have amended it to city of bloodshed. My earlier response was based on City of Blood.

The rabbis teach us that there were three reasons the first temple was destroyed
1. idolatry
2. violence
3. not caring for the poor.

 

[Bthoth]

Since I am not even a smidgeon Hopi, it would be inappropriate for me to refer the the Hopi as "We" or "us" or their stories as "ours."

But you did use the 'us' as slaves, as if you are of the story of genesis

However, I have enjoyed studying Hopi mythology and culture.

Interesting group, I have spent time with the elders and specifically the medicine man "Martin"

When I was younger, I went on a trip to visit the four sacred mountains of the Dineh, and during that trip spent an entire day on one of the Hopi mesas speaking with a woman who was a clay potter. The experience was one of the highlights of my life.

I know, the people are fine examples of kindness and humility. Did you eat at the central restaurant? The chilis relleno is the best in the country.

 

[dybmh]

Just like you, claiming the rules are "irrelevant"

I have never said that.

Time to put you on ignore. Goodbye.

 

[Bthoth]

I have never said that.

You did write it.

Time to put you on ignore. Goodbye.

No wonder you dont learn beyond belief.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

But you did use the 'us' as slaves, as if you are of the story of genesis

Sure, because it is a Jewish story and I am a Jew.

At Passover, the words "we," "us," and "our" are used liberally. It is part of our culture to speak as if we also were there. Why do you find this so objectionable?

Did you eat at the central restaurant? The chilis relleno is the best in the country.

No. It was a trip on a frugal budget. I ate a lot of PBJ sandwiches LOL

 

[Bthoth]

Sure, because it is a Jewish story and I am a Jew.

At Passover, the words "we," "us," and "our" are used liberally. It is part of our culture to speak as if we also were there. Why do you find this so objectionable?

No. It was a trip on a frugal budget. I ate a lot of PBJ sandwiches LOL

The reservation is an extremely inexpensive place the visit. The time spent for ingress and egress is about the only cost.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Are there any stories of Rama creating circumcision?

Let us agree on priority of evidence first. I propose geography, archaeology, ethnology and culture in that sequence. Then we can compare.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Does that make it OK?

They say everything is fair in war and love.

Let us agree on priority of evidence first. I propose geography, archaeology, ethnology and culture in that sequence. Then we can compare.

Agree completely with you. Can you kindly give us the link to the post where you gave the evidence?

 

[crossfire]

Let us agree on priority of evidence first. I propose geography, archaeology, ethnology and culture in that sequence. Then we can compare.

We are talking about the founder of the Abrahamic cultural groups, and circumcision plays a HUGE part in that. (At least to Judism and Islam, not so much to Christianity.)

 

[crossfire]

No. Not mentioned like that in any story. I suppose he had an uncut one.
If ever the Youdheyas went to the Levant (tribe of Judah), they must have picked up the practice there only.
However, Shiva's Linga has no foreskin, not even a glans penis.

The Youdheyas are interesting because that was the time of the rise of Cyrus the Great of the Archaemenid empire.