Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

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Bible Hub gives the following rendering of Gen 12:10:
to Egypt מִצְרַ֙יְמָה֙
(mitz·ray·mah) 4714. Pray, please provide links to any translation other than Mitsrayim. Also, importance of this is that the Open Bible places birth of Abraham at 2090 BCE. The name "Misr" for modern Egypt is attested only after c. 1300 BCE.

Have you investigated the Samaritan Pentaeuch? The words used there are Missreema and Missrem (according to the syntax)
They say the holy mountain is mount Gerizim.

Samaritan Pentateuch - Wikipedia

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Hebrew Manuscripts : Samaritan Pentateuch

The Samaritan Pentateuch contains the text of the Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, written in the consonantal

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The Israelite Samaritan Version of the Torah

This landmark volume presents the first-ever English translation of the ancient Israelite Samaritan version of the Pentateuch, or Torah. A text of growing interest and importance in the field of biblical studies, the Samaritan Pentateuch preserves a version of the Hebrew text distinct from the...

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Many have pursued monotheism, Ahkenatan to be specific began monotheism in the northern (New Kingdom/levant) egypt.

That is, indeed, your belief.

just as circumcision was initially in use, in egypt before even the stories of abram were in torah.

That's also a fine belief. Judaism teaches that circumcision was a commandment to Abraham, not that it didn't exist before Abraham.

Lousy system to require people to lie to themselves.

Good thing it doesn't require that.

Jews live all over the world and the majority have never had a use for a state called israel

You have spoken to the majority of Jews. You must stay very busy!

That's new to me. Why would messiah need or include animal sacrificing? Just because the narrative says so?

Because that is part of the divine commandments.

Best kind of human resolution, about like medical advancements above and beyond theology.

Just mired in human politics. But if that's what floats your boat...

Theocracy is not a democracy of free people making decisions of moral conscious. If you expect israel to be another iran, then like iran it will fail.

Theocracy is not a democracy, that's true. I expect Israel in messianic days not to be a democracy, but not to be another Iran. Good thing your false binary doesn't determine reality.

Judaism is far more important than the state of israel. People can be good and retain personal responsibility without that state and no messiah will require animal sacrificing or oppression of widows and orphans to be compliant with g-d.

That is, indeed, your opinion. However, as you are asking about Judaism, your opinion from outside Judaism is irrelevant.

One of the key items that i recall is that messiah will reaffirm the commandments to be a good in the current as when conveyed along time ago.

I'm not sure exactly what you are saying here, but the messiah will, indeed, reaffirm the commandments, including animal sacrifice.

I noted that in another post you declared what is and isn't "Torah" but, again, your opinion about what is and isn't Torah is not really relevant.

 

[Bthoth]

That is, indeed, your belief.

What is great about egyptian evidence, is they are quite often found and recorded in stone:

""Akhenaten's institution of monotheism throughout 14th century BCE Africa, though brief and quickly overturned, bears striking similarities to the three Abrahamic religions of today. "" May 9, 2020

Step One of Akhenaten’s plan to refocus Egypt’s religious life began shortly after his rise to power in 1349 BCE, when Akhenaten instituted a cult to Aten and renamed himself to reflect this god (Akhenaten meaning “One is effective for the Aten”).

Step Two was enacted when he sent his workers to remove all images and names of previously worshipped gods. This might remind today’s followers of Abrahamic religions of the commandment to “make unto thee no other graven image.”

That's also a fine belief. Judaism teaches that circumcision was a commandment to Abraham, not that it didn't exist before Abraham.

Circumcision is first noted in Egyptian temple hieroglyphics dated to 4000 BCE, depicting young men restrained with a priest performing the cut wielding a knife

Spoiler

You have spoken to the majority of Jews. You must stay very busy!

cute. Here in the USA, not one that I have ever asked. In the middle east, I guess the guilt is greater

Because that is part of the divine commandments.

Nice label. ""

What is an example of divine command theory?​

An example of divine command theory, according to theists, is that God commands humans not to steal. Thus, humans are morally obligated to refrain from stealing.

Moral obligation, is not animal sacrificing. For example: no stealing (breaking the commandments) no need of guilt and the sacrifice begging for forgiveness.

Theocracy is not a democracy, that's true.

Simple

I expect Israel in messianic days not to be a democracy, but not to be another Iran.

Do you consider when that time is? Is it possible, the man could be alive now, watching the mess that is occurring?

Good thing your false binary doesn't determine reality.

Quite the opposite, notice that i seek true information before accepting just one set of beliefs.
What you wrote is just rude That mindset is why midwives were burned at the stake for helping women birth children

That is, indeed, your opinion. However, as you are asking about Judaism, your opinion from outside Judaism is irrelevant.

OK, let's see tanakh: ""6 “‘See how each of the princes of Israel who are in you uses his power to shed blood. 7 In you they have treated father and mother with contempt; in you they have oppressed the foreigner and mistreated the fatherless and the widow. "

Clearly israel is oppressing people and in Tanakh the prophecy represents israel doing the exact same thing.

SO which person of us 2 is writing what is real?

I'm not sure exactly what you are saying here, but the messiah will, indeed, reaffirm the commandments, including animal sacrifice.

I am well aware that the commandments are as good now as when first created but burnt offerings of animals, is not a solution to help Jews keep the commandments. Just as I wrote many times over.

I noted that in another post you declared what is and isn't "Torah" but, again, your opinion about what is and isn't Torah is not really relevant.

Torah is not relevant when used incorrectly. Christians also do it with bible and created branch davidians and jim jones types of people

Using torah to regress to animal sacrificing is another rude use of the literature.

You attacked me, making false accusations regarding the commandments. In truth and in writing breaking the rules (commandments) directly.

 

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What great about egyptian evidence, is they are quite often found in stone:

If you studied Judaism, you would learn that monotheism existed before Abraham. That doesn't negate what obligation Abraham had. Same with circumcision. Bringing evidence that parallel traditions existed does nothing.

 

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What is this about?

Yadavas Hebrews were farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

@exchemist When people deal with droughts, do they feel the same as slaves or enslaved, even if they're not slaves or enslaved?

I learned that around 1525 BC, people were rearing cows and farmers. Yet if there's a drought and someone organizes a tribe to leave, how much emotion did they feel? How did they handle their emotions, their spirituality, and even their emotions toward God?

Oh, Abram was given an H to his name, Abraham; how come Moses hadn't had an H added to his name when being shown to people to follow his lead? Can we explore this?

 

[Bthoth]

If you studied Judaism, you would learn that monotheism existed before Abraham.

Abram left his father and changing to a single god (monotheism) model.

That doesn't negate what obligation Abraham had. Same with circumcision. Bringing evidence that parallel traditions existed does nothing.

I enjoy the scope, knowing that per torah, Moses was born and raised in egypt but I see your point, that others had participated in monotheism.
Just means, that there is no single ownership of what a god was saying.

Consider the bridging that others can be just as good as you and do not need to be accepted in your beliefs (Judaism) to be good human beings.

 

[Bthoth]

If you studied Judaism, you would learn that monotheism existed before Abraham. That doesn't negate what obligation Abraham had. Same with circumcision. Bringing evidence that parallel traditions existed does nothing.

If you studied Torah, you would know that Moses was claimed to be born and raised in egypt. Abram did not write a word of torah and since Moses per se was raised in the house of pharaoh, then the libraries of egypt is where he learned the majority of his information.

For example: each time you reply with 'if you studied judaism' you are using a single embodiment of information as no god gave you the material data. Each person must choose to learn and choose to study to have enough material to have an educated comprehension.

The good choose to keep the commandments, just as each must choose to learn beyond a controlled environment.

 

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Consider the bridging that others can be just as good as you and do not need to be accepted in your beliefs (Judaism) to be good human beings.

Judaism discourages people from joining and teaches that people need not be Jewish to be good.

 

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If you studied Torah, you would know that Moses was claimed to be born and raised in egypt.

I study Torah. The text has Moses being born somewhere around Egypt. So?

Abram did not write a word of torah and since Moses per se was raised in the house of pharaoh, then the libraries of egypt is where he learned the majority of his information.

Moses wrote the text as dictated by God.

For example: each time you reply with 'if you studied judaism' you are using a single embodiment of information as no god gave you the material data.

That is your belief.

Each person must choose to learn and choose to study to have enough material to have an educated comprehension.

And if you studied Judaism you would not make statements that show an ignorance of Judaism.

 

[Bthoth]

Judaism discourages people from joining and teaches that people need not be Jewish to be good.

Thank you as each conscious life (human being) is capable to be as good or bad as any other. Trying to divide people is rude.

 

[Bthoth]

I study Torah. The text has Moses being born somewhere around Egypt. So?

Moses wrote the text as dictated by God.

The whole levant was egypts New Kingdom. That is well documented.

Likewise, moses living in the house of pharaoh means that talking to god was a easy as coming home for dinner conversations.

That is your belief.

belief........... ? I dont do beliefs to determine right and wrong

And if you studied Judaism you would not make statements that show an ignorance of Judaism.

Judaism does not rule the world nor hold the most educated foundations of what is real (the truth).

If you studied judaism you would be aware that a messiah will correct many errors and begin a new era of what is real. (the unveiling)

 

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Judaism does not rule the world nor hold the most educated foundations of what is real (the truth).

it holds the truth of Judaism.

If you studied judaism you would be aware that a messiah will correct many errors and begin a new era of what is real. (the unveiling)

Can you show me some textual references to that?

 

[Bthoth]

it holds the truth of Judaism.

Anyone can hold the truth of judaism.

Can you show me some textual references to that?

Deut 18:15 of torah and then of tanakh there is far more. The key is 'the name' is the importance. As that capstone is the holy of holies, not a place. Unveiling the name is nothing to take lightly.

 

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Anyone can hold the truth of judaism.

not someone who doesn't know Judaism.

Deut 18:15 of torah and then of tanakh there is far more. The key is 'the name' is the importance. As that capstone is the holy of holies, not a place. Unveiling the name is nothing to take lightly.

18:15 speaks of prophets. There were many of them.
נָבִ֨יא מִקִּרְבְּךָ֤ מֵאַחֶ֙יךָ֙ כָּמֹ֔נִי יָקִ֥ים לְךָ֖ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ אֵלָ֖יו תִּשְׁמָעֽוּן׃

it mentions God but not any specific place. No mention of any messiah.

 

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not someone who doesn't know Judaism.

18:15 speaks of prophets. There were many of them.
נָבִ֨יא מִקִּרְבְּךָ֤ מֵאַחֶ֙יךָ֙ כָּמֹ֔נִי יָקִ֥ים לְךָ֖ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ אֵלָ֖יו תִּשְׁמָעֽוּן׃

it mentions God but not any specific place. No mention of any messiah.

The term messiah is not used, that term comes from other writing and works.

If you are such an authority on the dialogue, then you should know that.

Apparently you were not asking in good faith but with a preconceived intent to discredit.

A rude method of operation.

 

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What is great about egyptian evidence, is they are quite often found and recorded in stone:

""Akhenaten's institution of monotheism throughout 14th century BCE Africa, though brief and quickly overturned, bears striking similarities to the three Abrahamic religions of today. "" May 9, 2020

Step One of Akhenaten’s plan to refocus Egypt’s religious life began shortly after his rise to power in 1349 BCE, when Akhenaten instituted a cult to Aten and renamed himself to reflect this god (Akhenaten meaning “One is effective for the Aten”).

Step Two was enacted when he sent his workers to remove all images and names of previously worshipped gods. This might remind today’s followers of Abrahamic religions of the commandment to “make unto thee no other graven image.”

Circumcision is first noted in Egyptian temple hieroglyphics dated to 4000 BCE, depicting young men restrained with a priest performing the cut wielding a knife

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The thing about Akhenaten was that only he and the royal family were allowed to worship the Aten. Everyone else had to worship the Royal House. (aka Akhenaten and his family.) So yeah, everyone was spiritually enslaved to him.

 

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The term messiah is not used, that term comes from other writing and works.

If you are such an authority on the dialogue, then you should know that.

Apparently you were not asking in good faith but with a preconceived intent to discredit.

A rude method of operation.

The term is not used because that verse is not a messianic prophecy. If you read the text, you should know that. You are not quoting texts in good faith if you are citing them when they don't say what you claim. That's not intellectually honest.

 

[Bthoth]

The thing about Ankhenaten was that only he and the royal family were allowed to worship the Aten. Everyone else had to worship the Royal House. (aka Ankhenaten and his family.) So yeah, everyone was spiritually enslaved to him.

The rules were put on to stone at the city entrances.

Aka as commandments ....... ""The precepts of Ma'at are found in inscriptions in tombs and on some papyrus records. Some critics of the Bible claim that the Ten Commandments were not original with Moses (or with Moses’ God) but were plagiarized from the forty-two precepts of Ma'at."""


The legal Code of Hammurabi even predates anything called Torah or Moses.

 

[Bthoth]

The term is not used because that verse is not a messianic prophecy. If you read the text, you should know that. You are not quoting texts in good faith if you are citing them when they don't say what you claim. That's not intellectually honest.

Again, you enjoy trying to discredit but care nothing of the wisdom, 'that eventually the truth does unveil'


See Isa 11, nehemiah 8............... are you just that hateful, that you care nothing of what is coming and only to preserve your narrative.

The primary reason a christian religious exists, is because many thought jesus was that person, the jewish messiah.

Funny part is, you and I both know, that he was not. Magic, miracles and keeping an army is not what makes a messiah. It is the unveiling, the understanding that perfects the knowledge of mankind, that fulfills.

 

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The rules were put on to stone at the city entrances.

Aka as commandments ....... ""The precepts of Ma'at are found in inscriptions in tombs and on some papyrus records. Some critics of the Bible claim that the Ten Commandments were not original with Moses (or with Moses’ God) but were plagiarized from the forty-two precepts of Ma'at."""


The legal Code of Hammurabi even predates anything called Torah or Moses.

And Maat was around long before Akhenaten.

How long are you going to keep trying to set your strawman on fire?