Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

[Audie]

Abram (before he was called Abraham) was called "a Hebrew" in Genesis 14:13. There are other instances referring to Hebrews as a people, as well.

Employment of obsolete meanings for
words is equivocstion.

 

[crossfire]

Employment of obsolete meanings for
words is equivocstion.

It's not an obsolete meaning. There are the Hebrew people, and there is the Hebrew language, just as there are the (fill in the blank Cherokee, for example) people, and there is the (fill in the corresponding blank Cherokee, for example) language. No equivocation here.

 

[Audie]

It's not an obsolete meaning. There are the Hebrew people, and there is the Hebrew language, just as there are the (fill in the blank Cherokee, for example) people, and there is the (fill in the corresponding blank Cherokee, for example) language. No equivocation here.

How far back in history did you reach for it?

ETA...I searched all the way back to google and found you are right.

 

[Sargonski]

No surprise is sorta like nothing here
worth discussing.

Funny.

Hebrew is not a people. It's a language. As written above "the Jews thought the Hebrews were slaves."
It's a funny use of terms.

Dude .. give it up already --- Hebrews are peopole who speak the Hebrew Language --- and why are you wanting to dibble over terms. If you have a better term for what we are defining as Hebrews -- Hebrew speaking Nomadic Tribes 1400-1200 .. or "Proto Hebrew" if it makes you feel better .. then do give it up .. and make some attempt at coherent argument.

What would you like to call these Proto Israelites ? -- so we can both be on the same page -- hopefully have a coherent argument or two going forward .. something not based in moronic fallacy or irrelevant rabbit hole nit picking.

 

[crossfire]

Dude .. give it up already --- Hebrews are peopole who speak the Hebrew Language --- and why are you wanting to dibble over terms. If you have a better term for what we are defining as Hebrews -- Hebrew speaking Nomadic Tribes 1400-1200 .. or "Proto Hebrew" if it makes you feel better .. then do give it up .. and make some attempt at coherent argument.

What would you like to call these Proto Israelites ? -- so we can both be on the same page -- hopefully have a coherent argument or two going forward .. something not based in moronic fallacy or irrelevant rabbit hole nit picking.

I may be wrong, but I suspect that @Bthoth is trying to avoid tribalism, which can be tricky when discussing actual tribes of people. We are all adults here, so we should be capable of being objective and rational.

 

[Bthoth]

Dude .. give it up already --- Hebrews are peopole who speak the Hebrew Language ---

Correct. Language................. Semitic is a language group and hebrew just happens to be one of them.

and why are you wanting to dibble over terms.

Because terms and misuse, causes damage to rational

If you have a better term for what we are defining as Hebrews -- Hebrew speaking Nomadic Tribes 1400-1200 .. or "Proto Hebrew"

Hebrew did not exist in 1400-1200 BCE. Please show evidence but spouting is not expressing any foundation. The first (oldest) hebrew dialect ever found is 1000 BCE time frame.

What would you like to call these Proto Israelites ?

Palestinians. Israel did not exist before 1947. I prefer solid foundations to be what is real.

 

[Sargonski]

I may be wrong, but I suspect that @Bthoth is trying to avoid tribalism, which can be tricky when discussing actual tribes of people. We are all adults here, so we should be capable of being objective and rational.

No idea what the poison lizard is-- but that doesn't seem to make much sense .. seems to me wants to prove that the Jew has no right to the land .. .. something which I agree with .. but this is completely unrelated to Jews thinking Hebrews were slaves .. well .. and every other Bible Believing Christian.. and many Scholars these days believe at least a few of them may have been "Slaves" in Egypt .. ones who amalgamated back into their Kin .. the Triblal people of the hills .. of which many are famous in mesopotamia.. but ones famous in Canaan ended up forming a nation called Israel .. which existed for ~ 300 years .. which is not bad .. USA has to make it another 50 years to have its 300th anniversary .. we had some slaves back in the day too.

 

[crossfire]

No idea what the poison lizard is-- but that doesn't seem to make much sense .. seems to me wants to prove that the Jew has no right to the land .. .. something which I agree with .. but this is completely unrelated to Jews thinking Hebrews were slaves .. well .. and every other Bible Believing Christian.. and many Scholars these days believe at least a few of them may have been "Slaves" in Egypt .. ones who amalgamated back into their Kin .. the Triblal people of the hills .. of which many are famous in mesopotamia.. but ones famous in Canaan ended up forming a nation called Israel .. which existed for ~ 300 years .. which is not bad .. USA has to make it another 50 years to have its 300th anniversary .. we had some slaves back in the day too.

Well, according to Genesis, at least one of the Hebrews was a slave in Egypt--Joseph was called "the Hebrew slave" in Genesis 39:17.

 

[Sargonski]

Well, according to Genesis, at least one of the Hebrews was a slave in Egypt--Joseph was called "the Hebrew slave" in Genesis 39:17.

Hard to know what the actual name for these people was -- highly doubtful they were called "Hebrew Slaves" in the time of Joseph .. but since we don't know .. is as good a word as any .. so long as we know what this term is referring to .. and hence why nit picking the term is moronic .. call them "whatevers" who had a language that was Proto Hebrew = Canaanite. If going by the Bible we would call them Canaanites Tribal Nomads .. as opposed to Canaanites in the cities and farms .. Call them Midianites (who were Canaanites) if one likes .. as that is where Moses takes off to for 40 years.. his wife a Midianite .. Moses and Aaron have familial ties with these Nomadic Tribal people.

 

[Bthoth]

seems to me wants to prove that the Jew has no right to the land ..

That's a different subject completely

.. something which I agree with ..

but this is completely unrelated to Jews thinking Hebrews were slaves .

Jews are the dominant persons, that speak hebrew. Your wording is about like saying Ice cream wants to be cold.

. well .. and every other Bible Believing Christian..

That's the weakest link of the abrahamic group.

and many Scholars these days believe at least a few of them may have been "Slaves" in Egypt .

The only bridge that Hebrews were ever slaves is by religious books, nothing in archaeology.

. ones who amalgamated back into their Kin .. the Triblal people of the hills ..

Sure the Arabs (nomadic tribes) in the semitic languages of course.

but ones famous in Canaan ended up forming a nation called Israel ..

Israel did not exist as a nation until 1947..... canaan is a huge land mass but in the time period claimed to be an exodus before during and after, that land mass of palestine/israel was the New Kingdom of egypt.

See amarna tablets for clear archaological evidence.

 

[Bthoth]

Hard to know what the actual name for these people was -- highly doubtful they were called "Hebrew Slaves" in the time of Joseph .. but since we don't know .. is as good a word as any .. so long as we know what this term is referring to .. and hence why nit picking the term is moronic .. call them "whatevers"

Human beings........... Lots of people but using the identifier equating hebrew to a population is as stupid as claiming israel is jewish.

who had a language that was Proto Hebrew = Canaanite.

How about egyptian or akkadian? Hebrew did not exist in the 1400 BCE time period.

If going by the Bible we would call them Canaanites Tribal Nomads .

Apparently you dont like the term Arab. Especially considering the semitic languages were in use back then and ARAB is the word for nomads.

.. as that is where Moses takes off to for 40 years..

Where is the archaeology for moses wandering in the desert for 40 yrs? zero..... and then mt sinai was egypt back then and still is now.

Moses and Aaron have familial ties with these Nomadic Tribal people.

sure the Arabs..... nomadic tribes.

"The root of the word has many meanings in Semitic languages including desert, nomad,"

 

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[Sargonski]

The only bridge that Hebrews were ever slaves is by religious books, nothing in archaeology.

100% false

 

[Bthoth]

100% false

evidence?

100% nothing, from that time frame ................ as usual, the biased love to argue and yet have no method of backing up the crazy beliefs

 

[Sargonski]

The only bridge that Hebrews were ever slaves is by religious books, nothing in archaeology.

100% false

evidence?

100% nothing, from that time frame ................ as usual, the biased love to argue and yet have no method of backing up the crazy beliefs

You are the only one touting crazy beliefs .. ... now asking for evidence for the Slave Trade in Egypt as if it is "Crazy Belief" to think that Slaves existed in Egypt and the Levant during the Bronze age- what a joke.

Slavery in ancient Egypt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bthoth]

100% false


You are the only one touting crazy beliefs .. ... now asking for evidence for the Slave Trade in Egypt as if it is "Crazy Belief" to think that Slaves existed in Egypt and the Levant during the Bronze age- what a joke.

Talking about Jews, as slaves. Some call them hebrew (a language) in that time period.

 

[Sargonski]

Talking about Jews, as slaves. Some call them hebrew (a language) in that time period.

There were no Jews in the Bronze age --- You were asked what term you wish to use for the proto-Hebrew Speaking Tribal Nomads in the hills around 1400 BC ?

What are you calling these people -- since you don't like the term Hebrews ?

 

[Bthoth]

There were no Jews in the Bronze age --- You were asked what term you wish to use for the proto-Hebrew Speaking Tribal Nomads in the hills around 1400 BC ?

Just as there was no hebrew language in the 1400BCE period. The nomads were the Arabs.

 

[dybmh]

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A one sentence story. Shakes my head.

let's give him high respect and honor

Respect has been offered. Information shared. Respect has not been returned. Goodbye. You will need to ask your questions to someone else if you have any about Judaism.

 

[Sargonski]

Just as there was no hebrew language in the 1400BCE period. The nomads were the Arabs.

Hence why we been calling it "proto Hebrew" silly .. and what on earth are you talking about "Arabs" what a joke .. descended from Abraham.. yeah friend .. Arab's - Canaanites the same thing Have you not been listening ..not paying attention -- "Canaanites" the lineage and language of the peoples in the Region ..

Did you have something less nonsensical to contribute .. been on this desperate term nit picking ride .. getting old long ago. Nomads living in the Hills .. speaking a Canaanite Dialect - the precurser to Hebrew - some of whome settle in Egypt -- some captured as or later made slaves -- escape - migrate from Egypt towards the promised land .. amalgamate with their kin Tribespeople over time .. out of this mish mash comes the Tribal group that goes on to form a Nation.

"Arabs" .. what a joke .. seriously ..