Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

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Was there any Happy Holi before Exodus?

 

[River Sea]

The claim may not be so ridiculous about Moses. There is no evidence that Moses or Hebrews ever lived in Egypt. The R-M124 gene provides a genetic connection between Ashkenazi Jews and Yadavas. The 1st Yam Suf could be the Indus RIver; Sinai could be Taftan, 2nd Yam Suf haman-e-Mashkel, 3rd Yam suf Shatt al-arab.

Notice it says Sinai could be Taftan
Here's a video of Taftan

 

[River Sea]

Yadavas' claim aside. The question remains how could Hebrew farmers having cucumbers and melons; and of whom the Pharaoh was afraid, be "slaves."

Lately, I've been learning about pharaohs. This is where I was lost.

Just now, I found this in my draft folder.

I'll look up Janapada later. Does anyone know this word?

Combine_Advisor thinks that the Pharaoh was a belief system of the Janapada.

I kept this information in my draft email. I wonder if I could reference this. If I can, I'll post it below, or maybe it's an email that I'm asking about. I don't know. I do want to give credit to Combine_Advisor. How do I do this, actually? My draft folder has so much, and it's a pile of mess.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala Take a look at this: What is this about Pharaoh? He has a belief system of Janapada. If you need to, I can see if I can reference where this is, but for now, please read this.

I mean we keep sharing about Hebrews Yadavas, but wait, does Combine_Advisor thinks that the Pharaoh has a belief system of Janapada: it appears that's Hinduism., Hey what type of Hinduism are you Bharat, cause how many types are there? But I see Combine_Advisor is thinking I'm thinking that Pharoah is into Janapada., I never heard of Janapada., how many beliefs systems are there., it seems billions., yeah what did the Pharaohs believe in, were the Pharaohs into Hinduism? Or remain in Hinduism as the Hebrews Yadavas - were into Hinduism and into Torah right?

well I'll check later

 

[Aupmanyav]

So if I understand correctly, if Bharat did become king, would that be a threat to Rama?
Is Bharat being administered in Rama's name, showing love for Rama to be king? But what is exile?
Here's what I notice: Either there's love amongst kings, and then later that king is highly looked up to. Or there's fear and the cause of infighting.
So Rama must have been of love, and so the ones around him wanted Rama to be king, so there was no infighting then.

Krishna was that way too, was he?
However, during the Krishna era, it seems the infighting happened because of Jarasandha and Kamsa.

Hindu tradition considers it a sacrilege for the younger brother to take precedence over his elder brother. So, rightly, Bharat did not accept kingship that his mother wanted for him (under the spell of fate - it was engineered by Goddess Sarasvati because Gods wanted Rama to go in exile and in end kill Ravana, whom, again according to earlier happenings, only Rama could do). Otherwise, Kaikeyi, Bharat's mother, loved Rama the most. Hindu religious stories are very complicated to understand because they always refer to previous births and actions in those births.
Rama too loved Kaikeyi and respected her equally as his own mother, Kaushalya, after his return from exile.

- Bharat asked Rama to give him his wooden sandals. Those were placed on the throne while Bharat acted as the regent for fourteen years.
Interesting to note that Bharat had the same dark complexion as Rama, while the other two brothers, Laxman and Shatrughna, are supposed to have been of fair complexions.

Bharat in his hut in Ayodhya

See the popular visualization here: Bharat carrying the sandals of Rama - Google Search
- Exile meant that Rama will not return to the capital, Ayodhya, for 14 years, and live in forests as an ascetic.
- However, Bharat put another condition that if Rama did not return to Ayodhya after the completion of 14 years, then he would immolate himself.
- There were not many cases of infighting among Hindu kings. Normally the elder son would assume the kingship and the other brothers were given suitable important positions in administration and estates for their needs.

Yeah, every one loved Rama, there was no fear, Rama was always righteous in his actions. That, perhaps in the Hindu imagination, is "Rama Rajya", the rule of care and justice.

No. Krishna was not like Rama. He was mischievous in his childhood and very practical when he was an adult. Krishna of the childhood is very different from Krishna as the King of Dwarka and advisor of Arjuna. So much so, that I consider Krishna to be an amalgam of two legends.

Jarasandha and Kamsa were not involved in any in-fighting. Jarasandha was the father-in-law of Kamsa. And since Krishna had killed Kamsa, Jarasandha became an enemy of Krishna. In-fighting happened between the Kauravas and the Pandavas resulting in Mahabharata.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I never heard of Janapada., how many beliefs systems are there, ..

Janapadas is a political and not a religious word. There were these some 16 Janapadas, fiefdoms, that find mention in Buddhist and Hindu histories. They had various systems of administation and succession. Some were hereditary, some were oligarchic and some were democratic. Think of them as ancient Greek states: Janapada - Wikipedia

 

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Later, I saw sadness on Dr. Dave A. Falk's face, and I screen-shot it. He was so sad when he saw this. Or that's how I picture this when reading his face. I'll need to find the YouTube video, but for now, I'll show you the screen shot. When I saw his face, I could see the extreme concern; Dr. Dave A. Falk was waiting to see this finding from Scott Stripling, and yet the disappointment on Dr. Falk's face. I watched this. I still don't fully understand this curse tablet.

View attachment 84209

Look up "how to create a sigil" and you might start to understand.

 

[Bthoth]

I looked up words Ahkenatan and Amarna

First these two words aren't in the book common Prophets

Thank god.

Online I saw
Akhenaten - meaning "Effective for the Aten"), was an ancient Egyptian pharaoh reigning c. 1353–1336 or 1351–1334 BC, the tenth ruler of the Eighteenth Dynasty. Before the fifth year of his reign,

Also during the period of the New Kingdom.... Control of the levant

Amarna - Wikipedia
WebAmarna (/ ə ˈ m ɑːr n ə /; Arabic: العمارنة, romanized: al-ʿAmārna) is an extensive Egyptian archaeological site containing the remains of what was the capital city of the late …

New Kingdom

I see the word Eighteenth Dynasty

Let me look up book Five Views on the Exodus By Mark D. Jansen

Exodus is a book of Torah, not history

44 results for Eighteenth Dynasty

But nothing of the egyptian New kingdom in exodus right?

I'll just share this for now
Page 18 says
notable pharaohs, and scholars continue to debate the chronological particulars. Specifically, the Eighteenth Dynasty (early-date Exodus contains a discrepancy of roughly twenty years... I will not go further in book however -

What is discrepancy, I'll need to look up that word, and early date Exodus

Exodus is not historical record. It's a book in a religious doctrine

My writing now
Exodus: Chronological The Thirteenth or Fifteenth Century

Early date of Exodus would be thirteenth.

An exodus from old egypt to the egyptian New Kingdom (levant included) is not leaving egypt but staying in egypt

According to Dr. Dave A. Falk, one has to choose which verse.
Exodus 1:11 is for the Thirteenth Century.
1 Kings 6:1 is for the fifteenth century.

OK...... again, you are using religious doctrine.

So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh

Religious opinion... also mentioned as such in wiki............... Not archaeology

1 Kings 6:1
Solomon Builds the Temple
1 In the four hundred and eightieth a year after the Israelites came out of Egypt,

The levant was egypts New kingdom
What is the New Kingdom in ancient Egypt?

The New Kingdom, also referred to as the Egyptian Empire, was the ancient Egyptian nation between the 16th century BC and the 11th century BC. This period of ancient Egyptian history covers the Eighteenth Dynasty, the Nineteenth Dynasty, and the Twentieth Dynasty.

in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the Lord.

Because @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims, Moses born 1525 BC and left Indus Valley 1445 BC at the age of 80

Meaning during every part of the claimed exodus, the levant was egypt.

Only by religious opinion was that property promised land to a specific group. And during that period the hebrew language did not even exist.

There is zero evidence anywhere of a hebrew langauge duing the period of moses.

The problem is not that archaeology is wrong but that the religious opinions are fraught with errors to substantiate the religious narrative.

 

[River Sea]

Look up "how to create a sigil" and you might start to understand.

@crossfire

Please watch the video, because I found it to reference what I had shared. Then, with reference to the video, you'll see for yourself.

May 15, 2023 Dr. Dave A. Falk showed his disappointment about Mt. Ebal curse amulet. "This is terrible epigraphy. It's some of the worst I've ever seen", says Dr. Dave A. Falk.

Time stamp: 1:04:01
I placed it where it explains, so hopefully when you click on the video, it'll go there; if it doesn't, please go to 1:04:01

Manna Machine Alert!!! The Mt. Ebal Amulet Peer-Review Article (May 15/2023)

 

[River Sea]

How do I know a little of English? I have never traveled to a country which has English as a native language? We study in schools and from teachers. I have not even studied in an English medium Missionary school. I studied in government schools where we began studying English in VI standard. My grandpa, Bishweshwar Nath Reu, learnt Kharoshti from another historian, Gaurishankar Ojha. Both were awarded the highest scholarly title of 'Mahamahopadhyaya' (literally 'the greatest of the great teachers' ) by the British.

@Aupmanyav
Have you ever heard your grandpa speak Dingal or sing any songs in Dingal?

@Aupmanyav grandpa

Bishweshwar Nath Reu - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bisheshwar Nath Reu (2 July 1890 – 1947) was an Indian historian. He started his career as an assistant to Gaurishankar Hirachand Ojha, and learned the ancient Dingal language from him.[1] Later, he was appointed as the head of the Department of History (by Maharaja Sumer Singh of Jodhpur),[1] Department of Archaeology (by Maharaja Ummed Singh of Jodhpur),[1] the Sardar Museum, the Pustak Prakash (Manuscript Library) and Sumer Public Library of the erstwhile princely state of Jodhpur.[2] Mahamahopadhyaya He made his mark as a historian, epigraphist, numismatist and Sanskritist, he is best known for his history of Marwar.[3]

@Aupmanyav
How do you feel about the British during the time you were learning English and now?

The reason why I ask is because I've interacted online with an Indian who's extremely angry at the Brits; he claims they have taken away freedom from many countries.

I struggled to figure out how to interact with him because the topic was about 1525 BC.
However, I kept my questions, so maybe this is a good time to ask.
What were the common and uncommon understandings with Indians from India and with Brits?

Due to this being an exodus thread, are there any similarities between Brits and India compared to Exodus from either:

1) The Indus Valley understanding by @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
2) Egypt understanding by @Bthoth
3) Your understandings @Aupmanyav

Situations cycle from the four Yugas? Krita, Treta, Dwapar and Kali

Exodus would've happened during Dwapar Yuga from 1500 BCE to 636 BCE

 

[River Sea]

The levant was egypts New kingdom
What is the New Kingdom in ancient Egypt?

The New Kingdom, also referred to as the Egyptian Empire, was the ancient Egyptian nation between the 16th century BC and the 11th century BC. This period of ancient Egyptian history covers the Eighteenth Dynasty, the Nineteenth Dynasty, and the Twentieth Dynasty.

@Bthoth
Stefan Clasemann thinks the New Kingdom is Egypt too. If I understand correctly, do you know if that's how Stefan Clasemann thinks?

Here's Stefan Clasemann's website. Scroll past website to read more.

Joseph > Hyksos > Moses - Rulership > Enslavement > Exodus | Israel in Egypt

Israel in Egypt Settlement Joseph Enslavement Moses Exodus . The History of . Israel in Egypt . - The Veil Removed -. . Josephus, Manetho, Africanus, Tatatiana, Diodorus, Ctesias, Herodotus, Clement, Hyppolytus, Ptolemy - almost all relevant ancient historians are proven right in this work: The...

www.israelinegypt.com

Joseph > Moses > Exodus

The History of
Israel in Egypt
- The Veil Removed -

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala Exodus from Indus Valley or @Bthoth Exodus from Egypt and remain in Egypt, so no Exodus then.

 

[Aupmanyav]

@Aupmanyav
Have you ever heard your grandpa speak Dingal or sing any songs in Dingal?
How do you feel about the British during the time you were learning English and now?

The reason why I ask is because I've interacted online with an Indian who's extremely angry at the Brits; he claims they have taken away freedom from many countries.
What were the common and uncommon understandings with Indians from India and with Brits?

Due to this being an exodus thread, are there any similarities between Brits and India compared to Exodus from either:
3) Your understandings @Aupmanyav
Situations cycle from the four Yugas? Krita, Treta, Dwapar and Kali Yuga from 1500 BCE to 636 BCE

- Dingle (Bikaner), Ingle (Sindh), Pingal (Rajasthan), are all ancient local languages, no longer in use. Dingal - Wikipedia.
- My grandpa did not talk in Dingal. He learnt it to decipher old records and not to sing Dingle songs. I read that Charans who eulogized Hindu warrior clans used Dingle in their songs.
- In my childhood (school) and teens (college), I was least worried about the British. I was busy in other things. That realization came in my thirties. I was not anti-British per se. Of course, I do not hesitate to express my view on the British, particularly in Bengal, where they sold regions to their tax collectors (Zamindari system), and how they destroyed the livelihood of Bengal farmers by making cultivation of Indigo compulsory and how the destroyed the weaving industry of India which employed a large number of people for their cloth factories in Manchester.
- India, now is a partner and not a competitor of the British. Our GDP already exceeds theirs and in a few years it will overtake that of Japan and Germany too. I am not a cry-baby. Other Indians too are generally not anti-British. What happened earlier is history.
- 'Exodus' and Indian independence are two different categories of events, mythological and political. I am a strong atheist Hindu. I do not believe in Yugas. If we go by the traditional Hindu belief, then Dwapar Yuga ended in 3,102 BCE. That is always counted in the calendars that we use today.
It is the 5,124 year after end of Dwapar Yuga and the beginning of Kaliyoga.
Today's Calender: Aaj Ka Panchang, November 3, 2023: Know Today's Shubh and Ashubh Muhurat - Times of India
- Jhunjhunwala, IMHO, is writing trash, and I do not feel the need to discuss it.
Bthoth is (I suppose, I do not pay attention to that) writing about Egypt or Jewish history which are not in my sphere of interests, except generally (I have read a Penguin paperback on Egyptian mythology and a few chapters of Bible).

 

[River Sea]

I tried to give respect to your FRIEND Bhanesh who shared this video on youtube for us all to see.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala

I've never been to any of these in India.

All because of the word respect.

Thank you @Aupmanyav for explaining the video

To explain. Why I wrote to show respect is because Bhanesh didn't have to upload or capture what it's like to be there.

So my reason of this word respect is to show respect to him or anyone who as they're there, they capture for us to see

What chances are there for me to be there none., yet I was able to be there through him capturing. Yes it's not the same as actually being there, but still I had chosen the word respect to learn that it offend @dybmh

I tried to give respect to your FRIEND Bhanesh who shared this video on youtube for us all to see.

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala

I've never been to any of these in India.

@dybmh said goodbye and I think he placed me on ignore list. Due to I asked lets give Bhanesh respect for allowing us (I never been to India) to observe this

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala @Bthoth @Aupmanyav please know this.

So will everyone please educate me about this word respect?

OH as I'm learning past stories from all religions it takes me time to do so

OH did you know I learn about shechina from @dybmh

You know - I saw a few times light from within people radiate outward

So lets give Bhanesh respect for allowing us to observe. How does that cause anyone to place me on an ignore list for?

You can find it here

Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?

Abram (before he was called Abraham) was called "a Hebrew" in Genesis 14:13. There are other instances referring to Hebrews as a people, as well. Employment of obsolete meanings for words is equivocstion.

www.religiousforums.com

I wanted to quote it but can't so I'll copy paste

@dybmh wrote A one sentence story. Shakes my head.

@Aupmanyav how is that video a one sentence story. When you explain to me about this video, I extremely appreciate this because I didn't know the language that Bhanesh was speaking.

@dybmh wrote Respect has been offered. Information shared. Respect has not been returned. Goodbye. You will need to ask your questions to someone else if you have any about Judaism.

What I don't like about this is all I was doing is asking to show respect due to capturing through his lenses of life in India. Capturing this for us all to observe. Yet this word respect caused @dybmh to feel offended?

 

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There would be no mention of anything like "New Kingdom Egypt," or "18th Dynasty" in Exodus because that system of reference had not been made until at least 1,000 years later.

Periodization of ancient Egypt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Aupmanyav]

So lets give Bhanesh respect for allowing us to observe. How does that cause anyone to place me on an ignore list for?

Sure, and I respect you to have tried to understand Indian traditions (It goes beyond Hinduism and includes all religions of India, Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism. We have all of them here for centuries).

 

[Bthoth]

@Bthoth
Stefan Clasemann thinks the New Kingdom is Egypt too. If I understand correctly, do you know if that's how Stefan Clasemann thinks?

No i have no idea about what that party 'thinks'

Here's Stefan Clasemann's website. Scroll past website to read more.

Joseph > Hyksos > Moses - Rulership > Enslavement > Exodus | Israel in Egypt

Israel in Egypt Settlement Joseph Enslavement Moses Exodus . The History of . Israel in Egypt . - The Veil Removed -. . Josephus, Manetho, Africanus, Tatatiana, Diodorus, Ctesias, Herodotus, Clement, Hyppolytus, Ptolemy - almost all relevant ancient historians are proven right in this work: The...

www.israelinegypt.com

Joseph > Moses > Exodus

The History of
Israel in Egypt
- The Veil Removed -

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala Exodus from Indus Valley or @Bthoth Exodus from Egypt and remain in Egypt, so no Exodus then.

Topic is not about india. I must be honest, i dont know much about that divide of india/pakistan.

 

[River Sea]

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@dybmh
Here's a Jew, Yaqub Ibn Yusuf, who introduced me to Sufi music. I love listening Sufi music, however I don't know the language. I love listening to the minor chords

I'm sad that you @dybmh placed me on ignore, or I think you did.

From learning from Yaqub Ibn Yusuf, I'll look up the word anokhi.

Anyway, that's where I learn the phrases that help me articulate.

We all can connect to the inner "I" we all carry.

Many people connect to an inner "I" in different ways.

Anyway, you @dybmh taught me about Shechina, which helped me articulate more about light.

I will claim that my challenge is that I'm not fast enough at learning all these religions that people believe in, as well as Archeology

 

[River Sea]

No i have no idea about what that party 'thinks'

Topic is not about india. I must be honest, i dont know much about that divide of india/pakistan.

What does that mean party when referring to Egypt? In reference to Stefan Clasemann understanding?

@Bthoth

I found this video

Daily Life In Ancient Egypt (3D Animated Documentary - Life Of An Egyptian)

When you play the YouTube video, it'll go to houses in Egypt. timestamp 11:58

Sun baked mud brick houses. I wonder how much straw is needed? What do you think?


What is this?

JOSEPH son of JACOB
was Vizierking over Egypt
Zamonth Khnumhotep

JOSEPH’s master POTIPHAR
was Khnumhotep II

JOSEPH’s Pharaoh
was Amenemhet III

JOSEPH’s wife Asenath
was A-Henut

JOSEPH’s sons EPHRAIM & MANASSE
were the Viziers of Egypt
Ankhu & Senebefni

JOSEPH’s brothers BENJAMIN & LEVI
were the Pharaos of Egypt
Amenemhet IV & Amenemhet V

Pharaoh who enslaved Israel
was the first Canaanite Hyksos King Samuquenu

EPHRAIM’s sons SHUTELAH & BERIAH
were Vizierkings over Southern Egypt
Resseneb & Iymeru

EPHRAIM’s grandson REFACH
was the last Southern Vizierking
Neferkare

MANASSE’s great-grandson ULAM
was MOSES’ stepfather Pharaoh Sobekhotep IV

LEVI’s great-grandson MOSES
was entitled as Crown Prince of Egypt
Sobekhotep Mio

Pharaoh of the Ten Plagues & the Exodus of Israel
was the Egyptian Southern Vasall Pharaoh Ahmose I

Pharaoh of the chase after Israel & the Sea Miracle
was the biblical „King of Egypt“
the last Canaanite Hyksos King Khamudi

Joseph > Hyksos > Moses - Rulership > Enslavement > Exodus | Israel in Egypt

Joseph > Moses > Exodus. The History of . Israel in Egypt . - The Veil Removed -. . Josephus, Manetho, Africanus, Apion, Tatatiana, Diodorus, Ctesias, Herodotus, Clement, Hyppolytus, Ptolemy - almost all relevant ancient historians are proven right in this work: The Second Intermediate Period of...

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