There were Semitic Asiatics from the Levant and Syria living in the eastern Nile delta between the 12th and 18th Dynasties. This is well documented.
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Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?
River Sea
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The Evidence against the 'Israelites-from-Indus' thesis
These papers relate to the period of mid 2nd millennium. It seems you are saying that Hebrew developed from Canaanite which developed from Egyptian. The problem lies in the time. We would have to believe that the Hebrews had no language and script before 1500 bce, the time of exodus. Now God...
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The problem lies in the time. We would have to believe that the Hebrews had no language and script before 1500 bce, the time of exodus. Now God wrote on stone at Sinai. The narrative continues as if those people knew the script at that time. Also God added h to Abram c. 2000 bce. Also if Hebrews were in egypt 1900 to 1500 bce. Hebrew would develop from Egyptian.
@Bthoth @Bharat Jhunjhunwala from OneGod who wrote there - you can find it in middle of OneGod message
I @River Sea ask this is why I looked at h. H THATS WHY I STUDY H that's why I study that letter H
@Bthoth wrote people could learn how to be good without submission to a man-god to be their pinnacle of capabilities.
I @River Sea ask, how about a relationship with inner "I" we all carry and allow learn from
@Bthoth at least we acknowledge we can learn from without man-god submission to. That's why I think relationship - Maybe we're saying same thing
@Bthoth I'm combining some of my posts into one, and I'll leave this post here because you liked it. I'm having too many posts that are repeating in certain areas.
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River Sea
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I'm combining my two post so not to repeat
I hope not to confuse all this., we will see if I can keep this all organized
1. Abraham
2. Isaac or Ishmael both are related to Abraham, any more children
Where's Joseph in all of this, as @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims who carried Hebrews language to Egypt
I’m looking up who’s Joseph, who carried the Hebrew language to Egypt.
Joseph would need to be born after Moses, because Moses left the Indus Valley. I’ll go research this to see when Joseph was born.
Because when did the Hebrew language develop after the Yadavas left the Indus Valley?
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala can you help me with this, in the mean while I'll go research Joseph, because he needs to be born after Moses
Moses left the Indus Valley, so anyone who carries the Hebrew language to Egypt needs to be born after or in the Exodus era, so before leaving the Indus Valley, Joseph must be old enough to leave and travel away from the Indus Valley. So please help me navigate this.
I found this just now
I hope not to confuse all this., we will see if I can keep this all organized
1. Abraham
2. Isaac or Ishmael both are related to Abraham, any more children
Where's Joseph in all of this, as @Bharat Jhunjhunwala claims who carried Hebrews language to Egypt
I’m looking up who’s Joseph, who carried the Hebrew language to Egypt.
Joseph would need to be born after Moses, because Moses left the Indus Valley. I’ll go research this to see when Joseph was born.
Because when did the Hebrew language develop after the Yadavas left the Indus Valley?
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala can you help me with this, in the mean while I'll go research Joseph, because he needs to be born after Moses
Moses left the Indus Valley, so anyone who carries the Hebrew language to Egypt needs to be born after or in the Exodus era, so before leaving the Indus Valley, Joseph must be old enough to leave and travel away from the Indus Valley. So please help me navigate this.
I found this just now
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Joseph was the son of Jacob, (also known as Israel.) Jacob was the son of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham. Joseph was at the time of the beginning of the migration to Egypt, while Moses was at the time of the exodus from Egypt. Moses carried Joseph's bones out of Egypt at the exodus. (Exodus 13:19)
River Sea
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@crossfire thank you for explaining when Joseph was born, way before Moses. Was Moses ever a trader, or was Moses a pharaoh? Pharaohs aren't traders, or are they? According to @Bthoth Moses would be living god due to @Bthoth claims Pharaohs as living god
@Bthoth can you explain more what was Pharaoh (living god)? What was god back when?
@Bharat Jhunjhunwala do you see Moses as a trader, cause he brought Joseph's bones with him
I thought Jacob's name became Israel, I didn't know Joseph's name became Israel
Jews in this thread, which name became the name Israel., was it Jacob, Joseph or who?
in the north - Israel, and in the south - Judah - and lost the south area because of who? Because David's father did what: that caused David's son to loose the south area. However according to @Bthoth that whole area is Egypt. Egypt never lost any of that land. So how does loose south area while it's still Egypt land to this day.
I'll further the translation of your sentence @Bharat Jhunjhunwala and let me know how I did?
Canaan is located in Ghuram (modern name India). The word "him" was Joseph. Mitsrayim was located at Chanhu Daro in the Sindh Province of modern name Pakistan. So that means Moses was a trader because he carried Joseph's bones, or did he assign others who are traders to carry Joseph's bones? So that would mean Moses wasn't a trader then, because Moses tells traders what to do, similar to how Pharaohs tell others what to do because, remember, Moses was adopted into the Pharaoh's family. Or do traders not need to be told what to do, who chose for traders to carry Joseph's bones for? How come Moses or traders didn't carry Joseph's bones all the way to Israel but traded Joseph's bones at modern name Pakistan after leaving modern name India? If Moses or the traders traded Joseph's bones, what did Moses or the traders get in exchange?
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Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Moses would have carried the bones to israel. Nothing to do with traders as fas as I can see.
River Sea
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Answer to Moses and Krishna
Mukti Bird & Friends – Maya Maya
@dybmh put me on ignore list so the answer to gift is it's subjective. I don't want a gift because it's subjective, so I ask you where's the gift now?
Oh because I shared this video about Rama (Abraham) you can see further below @dybmh placed me on ignore list., so now what happened to gift according to @dybmh well it's subjective.
Brahman in us all. That's the gift. Light in us all that's the gift that we all have.
Brahman in us all. That's the gift. Light in us all, that's the gift we all have.
@dybmh put me on ignore list so the answer to gift is it's subjective. I don't want a gift because it's subjective, so I ask you where's the gift now?
Oh because I shared this video about Rama (Abraham) you can see further below @dybmh placed me on ignore list., so now what happened to gift according to @dybmh well it's subjective.
Brahman in us all. That's the gift. Light in us all that's the gift that we all have.
Brahman in us all. That's the gift. Light in us all, that's the gift we all have.
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River Sea
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@crossfire agrees with @Bharat Jhunjhunwala about Moses had carried Joseph's bones to Israel
Oh and if I understand correctly, @Bthoth thinks Israel is and was Egypt.
@Bthoth thinks no Exodus cause no one left Egypt and Israel land is Egypt. Please correct me if I'm mistaken
Example of all my mistakes: I mistaken @Bharat Jhunjhunwala a lot too. Example I thought Canaan was Israel and it's not. Canaan was located in Ghuram: however translation Canaan the so called (Israel) according to @Bthoth is Egypt and was KMT.
If this can get confusing, so many views, and, shall I say it, 5 million USD dollars were spent to research the mummy of Queen Hatshepsut? Let me remind you that 5 million USD dollars were spent.
Her mummy had actually been discovered in 1903, but was deemed unimportant and laid in storage until the Discovery Channel funded a $5 million DNA lab at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.
Her mummy was found, so she walked among us once.
Egyptian Mummy Identified as Legendary Hatshepsut
www.smithsonianmag.com
It was conveyed in renditions/recording:
Religion. The pharaoh was considered to be a living god on Earth, and as such, he had many responsibilities to both gods and humans. He was responsible for maintaining balance in the universe and ensuring that Ma'at (a concept that meant something like "order", "truth" and/or "justice") prevailed.
It is not my belief but how many observed the man, lineage, anointed, leader.
Conscious life, that was leading a population.
i find that much of the judaic belief system incorporated the ideology of egypt into torah.
Israel is a land mass. The cultural similarities did convey across to torah/judaism.
The levant (promised land) was egypts New kingdom. Recorded in stone. And per torah, Moses was born and raised in egypt. MAkes sense that learning the culture of egypt was/is an actuality.
What does that mean KMT?
I have wondered what genetics conveyed to the 12 tribes. Sigmond freud (a jew) claimed Moses was related to ahkenatan
Freud and Monotheism: Moses and the Violent Origins of ...
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In Freud's version of the biblical narrative, Moses was an Egyptian prince who lived in the short period of monotheism during the reign of Akhenaten in Egypt.
I don't think Moses was ever a Pharoah. I don't know if he was even a Vizier.
You are correct. It was Jacob who was also known as Israel, not Joseph. (I can see how you might have been confused by the wording of my post.)
Joseph became a Vizier (or another high position,) and is listed in Genesis as being involved in Egyptian trade.
Happy Birthday, by the way.
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Jericho was a Canaanite city located by the Jordan river.
River Sea
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In an email, you mentioned traders. Now that you claim nothing to do with traders, can you help me here?
When Joseph was seventeen, Joseph's brothers sold him to some slave traders and told their father that an animal had killed Joseph. The slave traders took him to Egypt and sold Joseph to an officer of the Pharaoh, who the put Joseph in charge over his household, and it prospered. By the time Joseph was 30 Pharaoh put Joseph in charge of of all the land of Egypt (Vizier.) Joseph then stored up grain during seven plentiful years to carry Egypt through seven years of famine which followed. The famine was severe throughout the whole area, and everyone went to Egypt to buy grain. When Joseph's brothers who sold Joseph into slavery came to Egypt to buy grain, Joseph had the entire family move to Egypt, where they stayed for several generations. Moses eventually lead their descendants back out of Egypt.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Traders carried joseph to mitsrayim. Hebrews carried Joseph's bones.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
What were the wells in Israel in which he was thrown? Any archaeological evidence?
Lotz Cisterns - Wikipedia
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
If they were Yadava Hindus before becoming Hebrews, then carrying the bones was OK. Perhaps Moses wanted to immerse them in River Jordan (Nahr Al-Sharieat, Nəhar hayYardēn), or in Lotz Cisterns, just like Hindus immerse bones and ashes of the dead in Ganges, Ganga Sagar, Gaya, etc.
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River Sea
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This response is so long and getting longer. So I'll send now including any typing errors.
@Bthoth Thank you for sharing information about (In Freud's version of the biblical narrative, Moses was an Egyptian prince who lived in the short period of monotheism during the reign of Akhenaten in Egypt.) I read some at website that you shared, however I need to log into so can read more.
However, for now, I've learned that Amenhotep IV, who renamed himself Akhenaten, began monotheism due to the threat of having more than one god. Was it more difficult to have a kingdom when having more than one god?
Page 72 from Book Five Views on the Exodus by Mark Janzen - a book I never finish reading.
Amenhotep IV, who renamed himself Akhenaten and abolished the worship of the other Egyptian gods.
I didn't find these names Akhenaten or Amenhotep IV from book Common Prophet. I wonder what @Bharat Jhunjhunwala thinks about these names?
Are there any similarities in Indus Valley, to whom abolished, the worship of other gods? Are there any mummies in Indus Valley? Or only bones to carry when traveling?
@Aupmanyav shows about what Hindus did with bones. What was the reasoning for doing this?
I could look up KMT online to find out again. Please know I could be wrong, and please correct me with your understanding. What I remember about words is that they were more for explaining land. To help with finding places, I think names are more like maps to help navigate.
What I remember from before looking up KMT is that KMT was explaining that the land had a lot of black dirt; this is what I remember. Way back when there were no vowels when writing, and I think way back, were words more for describing land to help explain where? KMT was Egypt. Then KMT was Kemet. I'm not sure how Egypt got its name from KMT Kemet.
Here's some past messages when I used the word KMT in this thread.
More writing thoughts about one God vs more then one god.
What is only one God compare to many Gods and how does this affect exchange trade and Kingdoms or Kingdom?
What does God trade with people? If God doesn't trade how come? Is trade a relationship or only material?
What was the threat of many gods that Amenhotep IV, who renamed himself Akhenaten and abolished the worship of the other Egyptian gods and began monotheism that Moses continued, and did Moses practice exclusion against any tribes? If so, how come?
Does monotheism cause exclusion in any way? If monotheism doesn't cause exclusion, how do people accept this God compared to their own God or gods, or can they combine these gods into one God to form monotheism., how easy or difficult is this to accomplish or can all people have their own religions and allow each religion (rainbow) to to world peace? What programs by the programmers is still needed, what would this appear like, would that be freedom of the mind or will there be laws that breaths to allow this? Who creates laws (people)
Who is God? Collective consciousness light, who lives in all of us, as well as direction shechina learn that word from @dybmh , that shechina tunnel directs us to light. Again, I could be wrong as I learned this word from @dybmh I only experience drinking from light and have seen, a few times, light within people radiate outward, which does not mean I know everything, and I could get things wrong however I learn through being wrong too? YHWH, Brahman, Allah using wrong as well to teach me.
Me allow. I learn it's in the word allow, allowing to be taught in the midst of my thoughts emotions, allow God light teach me. I use to only share this, I allow God teach me, and I'll use what ever the person used for God. I copy the person who I was responding too. Now I ask more questions so I find me copying less., however I could write we all connect to inner "I" we all carry. This is why I think we all can have different beliefs and still able to connect to inner "I" we all carry.
Back to showing I experience and not knowing everything and can get things wrong.
Just like I live on earth, I could claim I experience earth, but does that mean I know everything about earth? Does that mean I could get things wrong?
If I get things wrong or I don't know everything, would that mean I never experience earth?
I'll send now and go back and edit later.
Oh by the way my icon means this
Birkat Kohanim Priesty Blessing.jpg
Any Pharaohs show this sign language?
Any Pharaohs show this hand sign from either KMT or Indus Valley? Was Spock a pharaoh?
rosends
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No, he was a Jew who had attended synagogue
Leonard Nimoy, Mr. Spock and the Priestly Blessing - Atlanta Jewish Times
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