Yemeni child bride dies after internal bleeding on marriage night

[Alceste]

Of course we don't agree the child marriage to be a good habit which is unfortunately still common in some societies and which was occuring in ancient times and i can see some make religion as an excuse for them to marry underage girls.

i believe that some dirty men composed a false stories about the prophets in order to fool people and marry their children during ancient times.

i just can't imagine how their parents accept to sell their children for money.

i am afraid our century is the time for evil,rapes,wars,cheating...etc is very common nowadays.

JERSEY CITY, New Jersey — A northern New Jersey father faces sexual assault, child abuse and endangerment charges for allegedly raping his two girls after they were returned to his custody from foster care.

Reference : NJ father charged with repeatedly abusing his children after their return from foster care

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i am sure you got no time to read all such awful stories because they will be thousands in number and also i have no such time to source for all links.

This have being said,i can see no reason to accuse one member of the RF (Farouk in our case) as rapist and the only thing we can do is to report him to the mods to delete his story of marriage and warn him.

Do I have to explain the difference between child rapists in the West being CHARGED WITH A CRIME and facing jail time, and child rapists in backward Islamic tribes being CELEBRATED AND HONOURED as righteous Muslims, in countries where it is NOT ILLEGAL to purchase and rape a child?

I hope not.

 

[FearGod]

May I ask what country you live?

Also the average for a girl to start menstrating is 12. Not 9, or 7 or even 10. ITs 12. For a girl to start menstrating as early as 7 is a sign of problems. I don't want to come right out and accuse you of lying but either your wife is an extremely rare case or your lying.

I don't care what religion says what. I don't care what has happened in the past. I don't buy into the idea of relative morality. What I knwo to be true is the idea of abuse and how abusers often find ways to justify what they do and even better at making the victim's feel as if they either deserve it or its their fault. What is worse is when this process evolvse to the point that it encompasses a whole culture. If it is aided by religion or if religion just so happens to be a tool used by an already existing Idea I don't know. I'm actually inclined to think the latter.

But what happens is that something so terrible is accepted as normal because those that ar hamred by it have no power and those doing the harm have all the power. The ones with all the power justify it and the ones reciving the harm are taught to keep quiet about it or accept it.

So this I fight tooth and nail. With every fiber of my being I fight this.

Just to correct your medical information that some girls can have menstruation and turn to woman as early as the age of 8.

When girls begin to go through puberty (usually starting between the ages of 8 and 13), their bodies and minds change in many ways. The hormones in their bodies stimulate new physical development, such as growth and breast development. About 2 to 2½ years after a girl's breasts begin to develop, she usually gets her first menstrual period.

Reference: All About Menstruation

 

[farouk]

I have a question for you. Where in the Noble Quran does it say it's ok to consumate your marriage with a 10 year old girl?

Peace
Did i ever make such a claim?
Peace
Farouk

 

[farouk]

May I ask what country you live?

Also the average for a girl to start menstrating is 12. Not 9, or 7 or even 10. ITs 12. For a girl to start menstrating as early as 7 is a sign of problems. I don't want to come right out and accuse you of lying but either your wife is an extremely rare case or your lying.

I don't care what religion says what. I don't care what has happened in the past. I don't buy into the idea of relative morality. What I knwo to be true is the idea of abuse and how abusers often find ways to justify what they do and even better at making the victim's feel as if they either deserve it or its their fault. What is worse is when this process evolvse to the point that it encompasses a whole culture. If it is aided by religion or if religion just so happens to be a tool used by an already existing Idea I don't know. I'm actually inclined to think the latter.

But what happens is that something so terrible is accepted as normal because those that ar hamred by it have no power and those doing the harm have all the power. The ones with all the power justify it and the ones reciving the harm are taught to keep quiet about it or accept it.

So this I fight tooth and nail. With every fiber of my being I fight this.

Peace
You living in your own World and as such you are open to your own views.But that does not mean we should accept your views.
So far as your menstrating is concerned.Your lack of knowledge does not warrant futher debate.
Peace
Farouk

 

[FearGod]

It doesn't matter how many cases of rape and sexual crimes in the US you drag up. It doesn't make something less wrong. You can't kill someone and say "well lots of people in America get murdered so whatevs man" and walk away.

I am awaiting Farouk's reponse before I say anything further but I shall say this. There is never a justifiable reason to have sex with a 10 year old. NEVER.

I have narrowly avoided prison time because of an incident where I beat my uncle litterally within an inch of his ilfe because I found out he was having sex with his 12 year old step daughter.

Men can **** men nowadays.

What do you think of gay marriage ?
Will you beat your uncle to death if he marry a 15 years old boy.
i don't know what age is allowed because gays got no periods !!!

 

[Looncall]

Peace
Lets put everything in clear perspective so not to puts words in my mouth.
I married my wife when she was 10 years old.My wife had her menses when she was 7 years old.My wife memorized the Noble Quraan when she was 8 years old.Not read but memorized.My wife never when to school but was educated from home.She memorized her maths tables 1 to 12 at the age of 6.There is much,much more i can tell you about her achievements but believe me it will hurt your heart.My wife was an intellectual woman and not a child at the age of 10 as you claim.Now if you did not reach maturity at her age then stop envying her.
Futher from my 14 children 10 have memorized the Noble Quraan before they were 10 years old.The other 4 memorized it before they were 20 years old.I have 6 daughters and i had them all married after they had their menses.Note i have given them sufficent time after their menses before marriage.2 of my daughters are married to doctors and after marriage they also studyied and became doctors.Now should i continue and tell you about my sons,grand children and great children.no i don't think you got the stomach for the rest.
The bottom line is everthing depends on your upbringing.My entire family is brought up according to principles and values that our fore-fathers have set.we are following the same principles.We are successful because our moral values comes first.According to the teachings of the elders in our family if we don't marry our children (both male and female) after they reach maturity,as early as possible, then any sin they commit falls on the shoulders of parents.
Now i want you understand something very clearly.I asked the question, and a simple one it was,when does a child become a woman?Note every member knew the answer to this question but they had a problem spewing it out simply because it will have answered the question of child marriage.
In Islam there is no restriction on the age that one should get family members married.So as long as they reach maturity it is the duty of parents to get their children married.It is my family prerogative to get our children married as early as possible after they attain maturity.If someone wants to get their children married at a late age then there is no harm.Note we base our female maturity on their menses and not on their age.
Finally i want everyone that has used this thread to bash Islam to note.Its time every Christian,Jew,..or whatever religion you belong to you should go and study what your own scriptures state about setting moral standards.Believe me some of you are in for a shock.
Peace
Farouk

I find your phrase "had them all married" intensely disgusting. It shows that you regard them to be merely cattle, to be disposed of at your whim.

Also, why on earth would you waste your children's time having them memorize the koran instead of developing their intellectual potential?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Just to correct your medical information that some girls can have menstruation and turn to woman as early as the age of 8.

When girls begin to go through puberty (usually starting between the ages of 8 and 13), their bodies and minds change in many ways. The hormones in their bodies stimulate new physical development, such as growth and breast development. About 2 to 2½ years after a girl's breasts begin to develop, she usually gets her first menstrual period.

Reference: All About Menstruation

8 is the absolute earliest. The average is 12. I worked as a nurse for 4 years. 2 of which were in pedatrics. If a 7 year old was menstrating it would be reason to call the doctor for a pelvic exame and a brain MRI to make sure everything was still normal.

Also young girls start developing breasts far earlier than they start their menstration. Do not assume because she has some A-cups that she is bleeding regularly.

 

[Pastek]

My wife memorized the Noble Quraan when she was 8 years old.Not read but memorized.My wife never when to school but was educated from home.She memorized her maths tables 1 to 12 at the age of 6.
My wife was an intellectual woman and not a child at the age of 10 as you claim.

And ? It just means she has a good memory.
Did she went to school ?

I have 6 daughters and i had them all married after they had their menses.Note i have given them sufficent time after their menses before marriage.

Why the rush ?

According to the teachings of the elders in our family if we don't marry our children (both male and female) after they reach maturity,as early as possible, then any sin they commit falls on the shoulders of parents.

Of the elders but not in the Quran...

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You living in your own World and as such you are open to your own views.But that does not mean we should accept your views.

That doesn't mean that they aren't superior, morally, to yours.

 

[FearGod]

8 is the absolute earliest. The average is 12. I worked as a nurse for 4 years. 2 of which were in pedatrics. If a 7 year old was menstrating it would be reason to call the doctor for a pelvic exame and a brain MRI to make sure everything was still normal.

Also young girls start developing breasts far earlier than they start their menstration. Do not assume because she has some A-cups that she is bleeding regularly.

8 years is within the range,so no meical problem but some would be afraid that their girls will stop grow taller and hence request medical help to control hormons which IMHO isn't a good choice.

 

[Looncall]

Men can **** men nowadays.

What do you think of gay marriage ?
Will you beat your uncle to death if he marry a 15 years old boy.
i don't know what age is allowed because gays got no periods !!!

This shows the evil of the rules-based mentality that religion brings.

Anything that harms another person is wrong. No matter what some old book says.

Anything that does no harm is no-one else's business. No matter what some old book says.

 

[FearGod]

This shows the evil of the rules-based mentality that religion brings.

Anything that harms another person is wrong. No matter what some old book says.

Anything that does no harm is no-one else's business. No matter what some old book says.

i don't understand your point.

Do you find it normal for a man to marry a boy and what is age limits?

 

[nash8]

Peace
Did i ever make such a claim?
Peace
Farouk

Nope, and that is exactly my point. You commit these atrocities of your own free will, and not because the word of God tells you too. Justify your actions however you choose, but know that you are NOT A FOLLOWER OF ALLAH, NOR THE PROPHET.

Men can **** men nowadays.

What do you think of gay marriage ?
Will you beat your uncle to death if he marry a 15 years old boy.
i don't know what age is allowed because gays got no periods !!!

Lol, gays have no periods? What about gay women? Your obviously homophobic opinion betrays you my friend.

Of the elders but not in the Quran...

Exactly.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Men can **** men nowadays.

What do you think of gay marriage ?
Will you beat your uncle to death if he marry a 15 years old boy.
i don't know what age is allowed because gays got no periods !!!

Yes. I would have done the same thing had the 12 year old been male. I cannot go near the man anymore because I also found out he was raping his 8 year old son as well.

Gay marriage is fine. Its two consenting adults. Fornicating children is never accpetable. Male or female. So the fact that "men can **** men nowadays" means absolutly nothing. It means less than nothing in the context of this argument. Did you somehow think that it did? Please tell me that your not one of these people that think if homosexuailty is fine then all bets are off and we should go ******* 6 year olds?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

8 years is within the range,so no meical problem but some would be afraid that their girls will stop grow taller and hence request medical help to control hormons which IMHO isn't a good choice.

No it is not. They may start developing breasts at that age but not bleeding. If they do its an extreme rarity. Where are you getting this information?

 

[nash8]

This shows the evil of the rules-based mentality that religion brings.

Anything that harms another person is wrong. No matter what some old book says.

Anything that does no harm is no-one else's business. No matter what some old book says.

The problem is that the "ole book" says not to harm another person. So you can't even blame it on "the ole book", atleast in this case.

i don't understand your point.

Do you find it normal for a man to marry a boy and what is age limits?

Yes, homosexuality occurs in nature regularly.
Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the age limit is when the boy can decide when he want's to marry the man.

 

[FearGod]

Yes. I would have done the same thing had the 12 year old been male. I cannot go near the man anymore because I also found out he was raping his 8 year old son as well.

Gay marriage is fine. Its two consenting adults. Fornicating children is never accpetable. Male or female. So the fact that "men can **** men nowadays" means absolutly nothing. It means less than nothing in the context of this argument. Did you somehow think that it did? Please tell me that your not one of these people that think if homosexuailty is fine then all bets are off and we should go ******* 6 year olds?

Gay marriage is fine for your culture,but for some other cultures it is offensive,even if both young,lets say one is 50 years and the other is 18 years.

 

[FearGod]

Yes, homosexuality occurs in nature regularly.
Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the age limit is when the boy can decide when he want's to marry the man.

:biglaugh:

So we have to see at what age other animals normally marry.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Gay marriage is fine for your culture,but for some other cultures it is offensive,even if both young,lets say one is 50 years and the other is 18 years.

There is nothing innate about homosexuality that is wrong. It is bigotry on the part of the culture. There are innate factors wrong with ******* children.

and 50-18 is weird but not wrong. why? Because 18 isn't a child. I don't care if its a 18 year old and a 12 year old its still wrong. I don't care if its a 16 year old and a 13 year old. Its still wrong.

 

[nash8]

Gay marriage is fine for your culture,but for some other cultures it is offensive,even if both young,lets say one is 50 years and the other is 18 years.

Why?

:biglaugh:

So we have to see at what age other animals normally marry.

What do you consider marriage? A contract before God, or mating, caring for, and providing for another for the entirety of your life?

And in that case I would say you compare the life expectancy of a particular animal to the life expectancy of humans, and see when those animals start mating, caring for, and providing for another of their species.