To be fair, I have actually seen some "Quran-only" Muslims here. There are many different "sections" like with virtually every other religion.
Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
I discard the last definition, because it is literally anything you do. So if you you use that definition of religion, then I can't argue with it, but if you use any combination of the first two, then I don't see how you can qualify anything that does not directly come from God as religious. Allah spoke the word of God to the Prophet through the Quran, and the Quran specifically says to judge by the Quran, and only the Quran. Anyone else is a disbeliever.
Surat Al-Ma'idah - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????
Verse 44 - 49
LOL! That does suck!
You have no idea.
It think where we differ is that I'm focusing more on how humans will interpret these apparent Words of God.
But they are not "Words of God", Muslims fully recognize that Hadith is not the word of God. Even the Muslim who admitted to marrying a child in this thread, said that the Quran does not support the idea of a Muslim marrying a child.
I guess I just have a problem with people taking religious scripture and myths
far too seriously. It's good for stories/art/poetry etc, but not for defining morality and regulating lifestyle.
I agree with you on taking religious scripture far too seriously, whether it defines good morality or not. I don't agree basing the totality of ones life on any book, much less a 2000 year old one is a good idea.
This means you don't consider the Oral Law as part of Judaism, for example.
Nor any christian tradition upheld by the Roman Catholic church.
Judaism is interesting because it is both ethnicity and religion. Therefore the culture is inherent in the religion, but I'm not familiar enough with the concept of Oral Law to make a educated statement on it one way or another. But if Jewish Oral Law is recognized to be the words of men, about laws concerning men, then no I don't consider it religious, and I consider it cultural. If the Oral law is considered "the word of God" passed down orally rather than written, then it's religious.
[/quote] Many religions can not be reduced to their scriptures.
Sola Scriptura is not
that old. And even so, different denominations will have different set interpretations of it.[/quote]
Can you name a few? And I understand that their will be different interpretations of the scripture, but that is not the point I'm arguing. I'm arguing that their is absolutely ZERO scriptural evidence no matter how it is interpreted, to support child marriage in the Quran. Even the Muslim who admitted to marrying a child, and defended the practice admitted this.
I wouldn't say that Islam support Pedophilia as I have not read the Quran, but Islam is not just the Quran.
What is Islam in your opinion?
Though from what I have read from the Bible, it appears that it does support Wife Husbandry. Now the ages these girls were married remain open, but it does appear that they were at the time kept around these men until marring age, and I find that equally repulsive.
The Bible actually clearly states that Moses says to keep the women children for yourselves. It also says to kill all the men and boys, and all the women and/or girls that are not virgins. It does not actually say they had sex with them, but it could easily be interpreted that way.
What the Bible says about pedophilia
Is that Christian in your opinion? And even so, the Quran does not even have anything that could be interpreted as promoting child marriage.
But simply because such practices were done back then, does not mean that they should be now. And if I found any christian who did practice such an act I would do my best to try to communicate with them how in the long run they are doing more damage than good, which as Christians doing more good should be the objective imo.
Exactly, so would you hold the religion responsible, or the individual person?
I have been to Saudi Arabia twice, Kuwait once after Saddam started the fires, and to the UAE as a private contractor.
Kuwait and Saudi Arabia might qualify as 3rd world countries, but the UAE is the richest country in the world. I don't think it qualifies.
To see and smell the poverty, the illiteracy, the lack of freedom, the corrupt governments in action. The suffering children in the streets begging to stop the hunger in their stomachs. And these are the best areas that are not war torn gun ridden areas.
Indeed, this is why American's don't care. If they can't sense it in some way first hand, then it's not real.
These people have been fighting not for hundreds of years but thousands of years. They breed terrorism and their lives so horrible, death is a release.
The sad thing is, America and/or Europe has contributed to this in almost every area through colonialism or direct involvment in politics, such as in the case of the reinstallment of the Shah in Iran.
In Afganistan, one of the reasons why terrorism is so prevalent is because the terrorists groups give food to the hungry. Who are you more likely to side with: Someone who's feeding you when your hungry, or someone who is offering you an abstract concept?
Ideals don't feed the hungry.
Most people here in the USA do not realize just how bad other countries have it.
A truer statment has never been spoken.
We are far from perfect, but yes we are superior. We have laws that suppress barbaric behavior.
On some levels I agree with you, and on some levels I disagree. America is by far, the greatest country in the world, but the fact that we have done very little to nothing to help these poverty stricken areas makes us no better than anyone else in my opinion. Just different.
People by the millions flood into this country, not out. A minority here in this country can grow up to be the leader of the free world.
And this is why we are the greatest, but the problem is with all of the things you said in your earlier posts. This only happens in America because we have corrupted and/or oppressed every other place in the world in order to be able to have this type of freedom.
Freedom we possess, they suppress.
Naw, the people in charge just realized that they can make more money, if they break us off a few crumbs of the pie. The American population looks the other way because we enjoy eating our crumbs.
Salaams/FearGod
4.What do you call a muslim who refuses to accept the teachings of the Quraan?
Salaams and peace to you.
Farouk
You refuse to accept the teachings of the Quran yourself.
Proof it is a religious sickening act, more so then cultural.
No, He said clearly that the Quran does not condone or support his actions. How can you still say this is religious?
I don't need anymore evidence then from the horses mouth.
The horses mouth has repeatedly said that his actions are not justified by the Quran. He simply uses the facade of it being supported by Islam, to make himself feel better, even though it is clearly not.
