Yet more things to ignore

[gnomon]

Which muslim empire/dysnasty,royal family/army wiped out entire ethnic groups?

Timur made a great go of it. Entirely destroying the populations of cities he conquered. The "Sword of Islam" eliminated entire populations in his campaign. Though, I guess the fact the he was Muslim and he eliminated Muslim populations as well.....though they were of a different culture......oh wait.....that's genocide. Because those Muslims, while following the same faith.....were not of the same ethnic descent as the conqueror that took...at many estimates....17 million lives. Just because this specific Islamic individual deigned himself the successor to Genghis Khan.

And as mentioned previously you have the Ottoman Empire.

God this pissing contest is getting old.

From the OP to the posting of the inane Jihad Watch.

Nothing learned. Thus, nothing gained.

I'm sorry......I've read so many stupid proclamations in this thread about "the West", specific religions, the inane concept of historical culpability........

It's going nowhere from the very first post.

 

[atanu]

I'm not EVEN going into why the U.S. military used the A-bomb to end that
war and save MILLIONS of lives on all side.

USA dropped bombs on Hiroshima on August 9, 1945.

German retreat from Russia started on July 12, 1943 and by 1945, the Germany-Italy-Japan axis was already defeated. Where was any need for dropping nuclear bomb?

Dropping of bomb was not an act of saving million of lives but IMO, most inhuman scientific experiment on living beings.

 

[MD]

Which muslim empire/dysnasty,royal family/army wiped out entire ethnic groups?

Safavids
Timur
Ottomans
Mughals
North Sudan
ISIS
Pakistani army in Bangladesh war of independence
Indonesian army in East Timor

There are many more.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Considering very few people living today had anything or part of WWII, I think it's time to move beyond such things. There is hardly anyone left alive who fought as a Nazi, yet their children, grandchilren, great grandchildren, and great great grandchildren are being punished.

No, we should never stop speaking of the Holocaust and any other genocide. People need to remember. Especially since you have the growth of the far-right and the rise of nationalism and xenophobia throughout the world. You also have many people who deny that such genocides took place. We are already forgetting the lessons we should've learned from WWII. Shame on humanity.

 

[Aquitaine]

I have no trust in Western media about claims against Muslims ,because of much lies delivered.

Turkey always deny that claim. but the West insist to stuck it !

Erdoğan says Germany is last country to speak on “genocide”

https://www.turkishminute.com/2016/06/04/erdogan-says-germany-last-country-speak-genocide/

So you believe the Armenian Genocide is a fabrication? How convenient. . .

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, we should never stop speaking of the Holocaust and any other genocide.

That's not what I meant to imply. Rather that we need not place blame and guilt upon the Germans of today because they had nothing to do with it. It happened generations ago, and we shouldn't still be dangling it over the heads today. Germany even banned Nazi association, images, and other such things (my German teacher saw a guy get arrested back during the 80s for saying they should gas Turkish people like they did "back in the day."), but we still like rubbing there face in it even though we're doing it to people who had nothing to do with it. The Germans have a very rich and highly influential culture and history, but any admiration for the Germans is quickly associated with the Nazis - it's almost as if their contributions to art, music, philosophy, science, and engineering don't matter because of the crimes committed during one point in history that happened about 70 - 80 years ago. Even the Hitler Youth who fought are old, dying off, and very few in numbers compared to those who had absolutely nothing to do with WWII and the Nazis.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That's not what I meant to imply. Rather that we need not place blame and guilt upon the Germans of today because they had nothing to do with it. It happened generations ago, and we shouldn't still be dangling it over the heads today. Germany even banned Nazi association, images, and other such things (my German teacher saw a guy get arrested back during the 80s for saying they should gas Turkish people like they did "back in the day."), but we still like rubbing there face in it even though we're doing it to people who had nothing to do with it. The Germans have a very rich and highly influential culture and history, but any admiration for the Germans is quickly associated with the Nazis - it's almost as if their contributions to art, music, philosophy, science, and engineering don't matter because of the crimes committed during one point in history that happened about 70 - 80 years ago. Even the Hitler Youth who fought are old, dying off, and very few in numbers compared to those who had absolutely nothing to do with WWII and the Nazis.

Well, I'm not sure how much of a problem that is outside of joking and political rhetoric like comparing Merkel to Hitler. I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Germans are Nazis now and that Germans face discrimination over it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, I'm not sure how much of a problem that is outside of joking and political rhetoric like comparing Merkel to Hitler. I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Germans are Nazis now and that Germans face discrimination over it.

The post that brought my response up in regards to modern Germans and the Nazis mentioned it, as if today's Germans calling something genocide is a hypocritical travesty because of the Holocaust.
https://www.turkishminute.com/2016/06/04/erdogan-says-germany-last-country-speak-genocide/
Speaking at the Turkish Exporters’ Assembly (TİM) on Saturday, Erdoğan said “The fact that the last country on Earth to have a word on genocide is making such an accusation against us, I am saying this with lawyers’ term, is against the natural flow of life. Let them first re-define Holocaust. Let them review Namibia massacre. What country are you addressing and what are you talking about?”

Referring to EU, Erdoğan also said: “We don’t want them to be hypocritical. Stop getting involved with issues concerning Armenians and terror organizations.”

 

[Godobeyer]

So you believe the Armenian Genocide is a fabrication? How convenient. . .

Don't you believe in fabrication ?


Because ,also Iraq had nukes was fabrication, "lie".

Iraq and USA lost thousands of souls and billions of dollars because of fabrication!

Trump declared: “They lied! They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew there were none.”

 

[Aquitaine]

Don't you believe in fabrication ?


Because ,also Iraq had nukes was fabrication, "lie".

Iraq and USA lost thousands of souls and billions of dollars because of fabrication!

Trump declared: “They lied! They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew there were none.”

It's good to know that you're a holocaust denier.
Google "Armenian Genocide". . . all those photographs. . . all fabricated ey?

Again: 'Muslims can do no wrong'. . .

 

[McBell]

USA dropped bombs on Hiroshima on August 9, 1945.

German retreat from Russia started on July 12, 1943 and by 1945, the Germany-Italy-Japan axis was already defeated. Where was any need for dropping nuclear bomb?

Dropping of bomb was not an act of saving million of lives but IMO, most inhuman scientific experiment on living beings.

when was the attack on Pearl Harbor?
Who did the attacking?

 

[Godobeyer]

It's good to know that you're a holocaust denier.

Holocaust is done by Nazis toward the Jews.

Google "Armenian Genocide". . . all those photographs. . . all fabricated ey?

for Armenian "Genocide"
I can't say it's true or false .

Google "alien found on moon"

Again: 'Muslims can do no wrong'. . .

You said.

 

[Aquitaine]

Holocaust is done by Nazis toward the Jews.

Don't be pedantic, you know exactly what I mean: a genocide denier.

for Armenian "Genocide"
I can't say it's true or false .

Oh, it's suddenly the Armenian "Genocide" now? Tell me, if it were a kuffar empire who oversaw the Armenian Genocide, would you still be in such denial?

You said.

After having known you on RF for quite some time, this is your entire bias: muslims can do no wrong in your eyes.

 

[Aquitaine]

@Godobeyer please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_recognition

All those people, all those memorials. . . all fabricated?

 

[Godobeyer]

Don't be pedantic, you know exactly what I mean: a genocide denier.

ah I am glad that you correct the error

Oh, it's suddenly the Armenian "Genocide" now? Tell me, if it were a kuffar empire who oversaw the Armenian Genocide, would you still be in such denial?

If that really happened I have no problem to condemn it.

After having known you on RF for quite some time, this is your entire bias: muslims can do no wrong in your eyes.

Muslims are just humans .

then you still don't know me

 

[Aquitaine]

ah I am glad that you correct the error




If that really happened I have no problem to condemn it.





Muslims are just humans .

then you still don't know me

Do you believe it happened? Pro tip: pretend it was a kuffar empire that did it.

 

[Godobeyer]

@Godobeyer please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_recognition

All those people, all those memorials. . . all fabricated?

Yes , it's could be fabrication.

since West insist to accuse (reputation) of Turkey and forget it's crimes in other places ,I doubt about that

Please read the other side view
Erdoğan says Germany is last country to speak on “genocide”

https://www.turkishminute.com/2016/06/04/erdogan-says-germany-last-country-speak-genocide/

 

[Godobeyer]

Do you believe it happened? Pro tip: pretend it was a kuffar empire that did it.

I doubt about that it's just claim,but it's could be happened.

 

[Aquitaine]

I doubt about that it's just claim,but it's could be happened.

Pretend it was a kuffar empire that did it, do you still think it's "just a claim"?

 

[Godobeyer]

Pretend it was a kuffar empire that did it, do you still think it's "just a claim"?

why you keep asking the same question, I answsered before ?


Check your link , most of world deny or doubt about that "claim" of genocide!!