you are racist!!

[Quintessence]

I'm not trying to take anything away. I just truly do not understand this notion of having pride in something that is nothing more than a circumstance of birth.

It's about honoring who and what you are. While you may regard this as "nothing more" than a circumstance of birth, consider that everything about who you are is "nothing more" than a circumstance of something else. Everything about who we are as "individuals" is a product of circumstances. To me, this attitude you hold is no different than suggesting we should just not take pride in ourselves, period.

Which, I suppose if you're a Christian who follows the notion of the Seven Deadly Sins, would be quite proper, actually.

 

[dust1n]

I introduced one topic that I find hypocritical. That was not to imply that its more important than these. It's not. Yes, there are still issues with racism and I hope we can end that. But suggesting to include all races including whites in that discussion.

So, what other topics of double standards were you hoping to rectify?

BTW, my neighbor the other day was stopped by a police for simply making a left turn "aggressively." He recorded the incident on his cell phone. The police actually took the phone away from him after grabbing his elbow. Luckily it ended quickly after that without further esclataion. My neighbor is heavy built with a bald head and tattoos. So yeah, he looks like he's in a gang. But he's all down to earth and one of the nicest guys on the block. Totally the father of that household. There's a been a string of robberies in my neighborhood, so I'm guessing the cop was on higher alert.

As someone who routinely commit "crimes," my unpleasantness with cops extends to basically many traffic tickets.

 

[dust1n]

It's about honoring who and what you are. While you may regard this as "nothing more" than a circumstance of birth, consider that everything about who you are is "nothing more" than a circumstance of something else. Everything about who we are as "individuals" is a product of circumstances. To me, this attitude you hold is no different than suggesting we should just not take pride in ourselves, period.

I don't understand this. What SW is saying is that she doesn't understand why someone would take pride in something that is nothing more than a circumstance of birth. Accomplishments are a circumstance of many "something elses" that occur. Those "something elses" are not circumstances of birth. Regarding the circumstances, we can act upon them. Regarding the color of one's skin, as in, something that is exclusively a circumstance of birth, no one acts upon.

 

[SomeRandom]

I agree with you.

If I was approached in the same thoughtful, honest way the my response would be different. If able-bodied and able-minded people would just admit that yes, they have different opinions of disabled people, then my response would be much better.
I have shown in the past that I am open to an honest, open approach. I really am. But what often happens is they get in group think and don't answer for themselves. They already know a response to me and they don't have to think real hard about there response. Let me give you an example of what am spaking about,
No matter how you search on television, people with disabilities aren't on it. On the other hand, they put us on to "inspire" you. Now, it may seem to be a good thing to do. But what is the real reason were on ? Isn't it to make you feel better about yourselves, that you don't have to deal with that disability ? Isn't it so you can say "Whew! I got it hard, but I don't have it as hard as that poor devil mr. X does " ?
That is an example. I think most people with disabilities have gotten use to there disability. I know a blind guy. Guess what ? He's used to it.. He doesn't complain, just as I don't complain about many of my disabilities. Why ? Because I am used to it.
The thing we complain about is long term problems. An example is the lack of jobs. Or the fact that mentally ill people are put in prisons, not mental hospitals. It's the social aspect of it, not the fact of our disabilities. Were used to it. But that's the thing.
Try something for me. Instead of blocking what I am saying out, LISTEN. HEAR ME. Because the opposite does not create peace, which I am dedicated to, but creates misunderstanding, anger, mistrust, e.t.c . Listen to what I say and SEE if it's TRUE. Yes, you're not stupid, but I know a Hell of a lot more than you do because I have had to deal with this my whole life. You haven't. Then IF it is TRUE, what are you going to do about it ?
See, plenty of people said there going to do something about it. But plenty of people have done NOTHING about it. So I figure that it amounts to a couple solutions: 1) They will not do anything about it, 2) They can't do anything about it, 3) They are hoping we'll believe them and lay off them and 5) There trying to buy themselves time.
Anyways, this is the main thing BE HONEST AND OPEN. I AM WITH YOU COME WHAT MAY. SO WHY NOT BE WITH ME ? THAT IS ALL I AM ASKING FOR.

Dude what about quads? A cartoon series about people with various disabilities in a darkly funny way. Drawn by a man who could only move his head. The oblongs a dark comedy about a family of mutants. Like literal mutants. Futurama and Adventure Time both have mutants. X Men can be interpreted as people with disabilities if one is so inclined. Hell Xavier literally is disabled.

 

[Quintessence]

I don't understand this. What SW is saying is that she doesn't understand why someone would take pride in something that is nothing more than a circumstance of birth. Accomplishments are a circumstance of many "something elses" that occur. Those "something elses" are not circumstances of birth. Regarding the circumstances, we can act upon them. Regarding the color of one's skin, as in, something that is exclusively a circumstance of birth, no one acts upon.

What does it matter if the circumstance related to birth or not? It's still all part of who you are, and can all still be honored. I don't see why it makes any difference what the circumstance is. If it is part of who you are, you can take pride in it. It's about honoring who and what you are. Your genes - these "birth" circumstances - are hugely important in determining who you are. Genetics, plus environment, is what makes us. Why would anyone disregard all the genetical aspects of who they are and only focus on environmental circumstances? That is something I don't get.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's about honoring who and what you are. While you may regard this as "nothing more" than a circumstance of birth, consider that everything about who you are is "nothing more" than a circumstance of something else. Everything about who we are as "individuals" is a product of circumstances. To me, this attitude you hold is no different than suggesting we should just not take pride in ourselves, period.

People with Asperger's are often very intelligent. But having Asperger's just happened. However, I graduated college with honors and that is something that did take effort, and something to take pride in. Beethoven's pride isn't that he was born with a wonderful gift, his pride is that his works are so great that everyone knows and recognizes the 5th Symphony by the first four notes alone. GLBT pride isn't being GLBT, it's standing up for yourself, for your community, and not letting the majority keep you locked up in a closet.

 

[Quintessence]

People with Asperger's are often very intelligent. But having Asperger's just happened. However, I graduated college with honors and that is something that did take effort, and something to take pride in. Beethoven's pride isn't that he was born with a wonderful gift, his pride is that his works are so great that everyone knows and recognizes the 5th Symphony by the first four notes alone. GLBT pride isn't being GLBT, it's standing up for yourself, for your community, and not letting the majority keep you locked up in a closet.

If those be the stories you wish to tell, so be it, I guess. It is neither surprising nor uncommon for people in my culture to not count particular sorts of blessings, because they don't play into the dominant or desired cultural narratives. My people have a rather severe disconnection with their sense of ancestry and sense of place. The meanings spun center around individualism and ideas of "free will" rather than of heritages and legacies and communities. Is that sad? Not really. Just different. And not the sorts of stories I tell. I aim to count all the blessings and banish attitudes of "nothing more" that disenchant and devalue the sacred reality of which I am immersed in.

 

[dust1n]

What does it matter if the circumstance related to birth or not? It's still all part of who you are, and can all still be honored. I don't see why it makes any difference what the circumstance is. If it is part of who you are, you can take pride in it. It's about honoring who and what you are. Your genes - these "birth" circumstances - are hugely important in determining who you are. Genetics, plus environment, is what makes us. Why would anyone disregard all the genetical aspects of who they are and only focus on environmental circumstances? That is something I don't get.

What does it matter if the circumstances are related to birth or not? Well, if one is a hard determinist, it probably wouldn't matter at all. If one believed in free will, then it would probably be important because actions are a result of free will, while skin color is the result of birth. Why does it matter if it is birth or not? Well, no one has ever consciously affected the outcome of their birth before. While things not pertaining to birth, but by actions... well, actions are consciousness affecting outcomes.

It would be akin to asking, why does it matter if I have absolutely no control over something, or if I do retain a portion of control over something? Well, the latter I have a portion of control over. I actually employed some sort of my own agency to affect outcomes, while the former, my parents just did it.

 

[psychoslice]

I'm not trying to take anything away. I just truly do not understand this notion of having pride in something that is nothing more than a circumstance of birth.

Yes you certainly don't understand, have you a low opinion of yourself ?.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes you certainly don't understand, have you a low opinion of yourself ?.

Not at all. However, I take pride in my actions, not in things that just happened.

 

[psychoslice]

Not at all. However, I take pride in my actions, not in things that just happened.

Well that's you not me, there is no right or wrong here, can you understand that ?, as you said you take pride in your actions, can you see that its all the same, its no big deal.

 

[groves200]

I really couldn't care less if I'm called racist for giving my opinion, that is the whole point in my post.. I'm fed up of people playing the race card and being afraid to give their opinion in order to avoid being called racist or islamephobic, even. It's gotten so bad that the media would rather call Muslims "asian" to prevent insulting Muslims and rather insult Asians, why?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I've heard it from blacks and whites. There's problems with racism in both groups.

First of all, there are NO RACES. There is one race, the human race.

Wrong. Homo sapiens sapiens is a species, not a race. Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid and Australoid are races and a forensic anthropologist can tell which one you are by studying your bones.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I really couldn't care less if I'm called racist for giving my opinion, that is the whole point in my post.. I'm fed up of people playing the race card and being afraid to give their opinion in order to avoid being called racist or islamephobic, even. It's gotten so bad that the media would rather call Muslims "asian" to prevent insulting Muslims and rather insult Asians, why?

You should come here as you'd fit in. You'll find plenty of company as you could insult Muslims and Mexicans, go on about how Obama has got all the black people (people here usually use other words) riled up and made racism worse, and say all that stuff while saying that people are going to come after you for saying it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Wrong. Homo sapiens sapiens is a species, not a race. Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid and Australoid are races and a forensic anthropologist can tell which one you are by studying your bones.

Anthropology states there is just one race. There are differences between groups that evolved in different areas of the world, but the mongoloid, caucasoid, etc., was discarded from main stream science some time ago.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Anthropology states there is just one race. There are differences between groups that evolved in different areas of the world, but the mongoloid, caucasoid, etc., was discarded from main stream science some time ago.

Social scientists with New Leftist sympathies usually say silly things like that, but physical and, especially, forensic anthropologists still use those categories as they do exist. Marxists like Richard Lewontin and Stephen Jay Gould were the ones who really pushed the "there's no such thing as race" crap in physical sciences, due to their political motivations and Gould committed possible fraud (he certainly fudged his research, but it's not sure if it was deliberate) along the way.

The "there's no such thing as race" argument is usually founded on emotion, not scientific evidence. They wish there was no such thing as racial differences among humans, but all the wishing in the world doesn't make it reality.

 

[groves200]

You should come here as you'd fit in. You'll find plenty of company as you could insult Muslims and Mexicans, go on about how Obama has got all the black people (people here usually use other words) riled up and made racism worse, and say all that stuff while saying that people are going to come after you for saying it.

Ah so typical, now I'm insulting people lol. Just go ahead and label me a racist..ect, no need to do it indirectly.

 

[dust1n]

I really couldn't care less if I'm called racist for giving my opinion, that is the whole point in my post..

Who in this thread called you racist? Do you actually plan on engaging with people the thread you created?

 

[suncowiam]

So, what other topics of double standards were you hoping to rectify?



As someone who routinely commit "crimes," my unpleasantness with cops extends to basically many traffic tickets.

They way I see it and, I've touched on this, is that if we want to fix this then we have to break down the lines and barriers of race and culture. We have to mix cultures to a point where there is no such thing as a culture associated with one race. If blacks want the same ideals as whites, then whites should be able to have the same ideals as blacks. It's a two way road. It is ideal and maybe too utopian. By placing ambiguity and context into the equation, it becomes a huge subjective mess to figure out. Can I do this in that situation? It should be simple. If he can do this, then so can I. Again, that is my opinion. I have nothing to back that on but thought. If I'm wrong against empirical data then I will simply back away from it and let reality continue to guide my thought.

 

[groves200]

Who in this thread called you racist? Do you actually plan on engaging with people the thread you created?

It was mentioned twice and has since been edited/removed.