Your God is Not God

[Riders]

its not only Christian bibles, its the Quaran, the Old Testament, Baghavad Gita,all the bibles. No we cant trust any because theyre man made men wrote the bible.

 

[savagewind]

Aren't holy books the manifestation of the respective Gods?

I read those passages and I don't think this can be lost in translation pertaining to the use of the word hate.

If we can not trust these passages then what else can we not trust in their bibles?

Did god or men write the Bible? Psalm 146:3
Even if there are true words of God in there, does it mean the whole thing should be trusted?
Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings
Psalms 118:8 It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.
Funny people will say that I should not believe those scriptures in Psalms are right because I believe some things in the Bible are not right.

Does that make sense? Psalms 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save

 

[suncowiam]

Did god or men write the Bible? Psalm 146:3
Even if there are true words of God in there, does it mean the whole thing should be trusted?
Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings
Psalms 118:8 It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.
Funny people will say that I should not believe those scriptures in Psalms are right because I believe some things in the Bible are not right.

Does that make sense? Psalms 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save

It's confusing then.

 

[savagewind]

I think that scriptures we call the Bible were for the most part written by people who sought Jehovah, sought meekness. I even do believe that some were written under the influence of The Holy Spirit. I think most scripture is about hating bad and loving good.
If those people could write what is right, how can YOU think it is not possible to know what is right and what is wrong?

 

[savagewind]

It's confusing then.

Yes, I think that you are right. It being perplexing just goes to show that no one has the right to say what it means except for The Holy Spirit.

 

[GodsVoice]

its not only Christian bibles, its the Quaran, the Old Testament, Baghavad Gita,all the bibles. No we cant trust any because theyre man made men wrote the bible.

The Bible came from three different kinds of information. Most of it came from information called Christ. Most of the New Testament came from Satan and the Beast and some of the OT came from Satan and the Beast. This is why no man can ever find the Truth by reading books. The Truth can only be revealed by listening to the voice of God and obeying ALL His commandments in the MIND.

 

[chinu]

Do you agree or disagree with this statement: "Your god is not god. Your god (or gods) is, at best, an approach to thinking about god (or to thinking about the gods)." If you agree with the statement, why do you agree? If you do not agree, why not?

Okay fine, your God is real God, and mine is that you wrote above. why to insist.

Your "God" exists. that is enough for me.

 

[chinu]

BTW, from where the word "God" pop-ed-up in your mind ? my dear Sunstone.

you smart..

 

[RabbiO]

As YHWH said, "I AM That I AM."

And you believe that אהיה אשר אהיה means "I am that I am" because.......?

 

[Riders]

Okay fine, your God is real God, and mine is that you wrote above. why to insist.

Your "God" exists. that is enough for me.

It exists in her mind and her God isn't my God.

 

[chinu]

It exists in her mind and her God isn't my God.

Whatever your "God" is, I respect "Him", or in whatever way "He" exists. dear sis.

 

[Prestor John]

Their Bible says so. Proverbs 6:16 Zechariah 8:17

Aren't holy books the manifestation of the respective Gods?

I read those passages and I don't think this can be lost in translation pertaining to the use of the word hate.

If we can not trust these passages then what else can we not trust in their bibles?

Neither of you stopped to consider what the Lord claimed that He hated?

Proverbs 6:16 claimed that the Lord hated seven things and the verses that immediately follow that verse lists those things,

"16 ¶These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

If you actually read Zechariah 8:17 you would have seen,

"17 And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the Lord.

He claimed to hate certain behavior, which were: pride, lying, the murdering of innocents, evil plans devised by people, people who like to cause trouble for others, people who give false testimony and those who like to stir others up or cause "discord".

Zechariah claimed that the Lord also hated the evil imaginings that someone could have toward another and also the giving of a false oath or promise.

No one ever said that the Lord cannot or should not hate sin. He cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance.

 

[savagewind]

Neither of you stopped to consider what the Lord claimed that He hated?

Proverbs 6:16 claimed that the Lord hated seven things and the verses that immediately follow that verse lists those things,

"16 ¶These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

If you actually read Zechariah 8:17 you would have seen,

"17 And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the Lord.

He claimed to hate certain behavior, which were: pride, lying, the murdering of innocents, evil plans devised by people, people who like to cause trouble for others, people who give false testimony and those who like to stir others up or cause "discord".

Zechariah claimed that the Lord also hated the evil imaginings that someone could have toward another and also the giving of a false oath or promise.

No one ever said that the Lord cannot or should not hate sin. He cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance.

I posted it to show that love to hate is a CHANGE and the poster and the Bible say that God does not change. Are you willing to consider that the scriptures which say "YHVH hates" really might have been written, "hates YHVH"? In other words, to trust God and to be led by God means the love of God but to do those things which the Bible warns us about means that the doer is hating God?

I believe God has a purpose for the people of Earth and the things which Proverbs 6 and
Zechariah 8:17 say people do means that when people do those things they are being warned that it means hating God.

Isn't it true that there are many instances of people wanting to love God, but they do those things?

To say "Jehovah hates" is not a lesson at all. Humans in God's image are gifted the knowledge that some things are bad. It is called conscience. Romans 2:13-16

For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them. This will take place on the day when God judges people's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

 

[savagewind]

It makes sense from a psychological point of view that the scribe who saw "hates YHVH " thought it isn't right to hate God so he changed it to YHVH hates.

 

[Prestor John]

I posted it to show that love to hate is a CHANGE and the poster and the Bible say that God does not change. Are you willing to consider that the scriptures which say "YHVH hates" really might have been written, "hates YHVH"? In other words, to trust God and to be led by God means the love of God but to do those things which the Bible warns us about means that the doer is hating God?

I believe God has a purpose for the people of Earth and the things which Proverbs 6 and
Zechariah 8:17 say people do means that when people do those things they are being warned that it means hating God.

Isn't it true that there are many instances of people wanting to love God, but they do those things?

To say "Jehovah hates" is not lesson at all. Humans in God's image are gifted the knowledge that some things are bad. It is called conscience. Romans 2:13-16

For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them. This will take place on the day when God judges people's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

I do not understand most of the conclusions you have come to.

God does not change. He has always hated sin and sinful behavior.

 

[savagewind]

I do not understand most of the conclusions you have come to.

God does not change. He has always hated sin and sinful behavior.

Not always. Are you trying to tell me that before sin God hated it?

 

[savagewind]

I do not understand most of the conclusions you have come to.
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If you are one of those who believes God spoke and always protects what God said, then I understand why you are not able to question the rightness of scripture.

If you are not someone who believes God has always guarded God's words then I do not understand why you won't see it.

 

[savagewind]

Before sin existed did God hate it? Yes or no.

Did God hate sin before anyone ever sinned?
If God hated it, then it existed with God before it ever happened.

 

[savagewind]

Yes or no.

Is there anyone who is afraid to choose yes or no?

 

[Prestor John]

Not always. Are you trying to tell me that before sin God hated it?

God and His Law have always existed, therefore sin has always existed.

If you are one of those who believes God spoke and always protects what God said, then I understand why you are not able to question the rightness of scripture.

I do not believe that the scriptures are infallible.

They were written by men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, yet no man is infallible, so errors must exist.

If you are not someone who believes God has always guarded God's words then I do not understand why you won't see it.

I disagree with the conclusion you have drawn. How is that difficult for you to understand?

Before sin existed did God hate it? Yes or no.

Sin has always existed.

Did God hate sin before anyone ever sinned?

God and His Law have always existed, since no one else can claim to be perfect sin must also always have existed.

If God hated it, then it existed with God before it ever happened.

Your conclusions are based on the false assumption that God, His Laws and sin did not exist before this world.

These things had no beginning.