Based on these two answers alone, I know I am not interested in living in even your "ideal" Muslim society. Sexually repressed cultures that discriminate against women, sexual and gender minorities are quite disgusting places.
And what do they say?
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Your position about Islam
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Based on these two answers alone, I know I am not interested in living in even your "ideal" Muslim society. Sexually repressed cultures that discriminate against women, sexual and gender minorities are quite disgusting places.
And what do they say?
Sabour
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paragon
Member
1. It is a good religion with it's strengths and weaknesses just like any other belief system.
2. No
3. Loaded question.
As wrong and incorrect as a hammer or a screw driver can be when employed with a task outside its capacity.
Triumphant_Loser
Libertarian Egalitarian
No, It would be a theocracy... just like if every other religion was in complete control of a nation. This happened when the Catholic Church owned most of Europe, and anyone who wasn't a die-hard papist was tortured/ burned/ ripped open/ etc.
Yup. But to be fair, the various Protestant sects were also gleefully slaughtering everyone else who wasn't part of their sect or were deemed "heretics", Catholics and others.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
Except in our topic.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
That reply is something I expected to hear.
You should! Oh, how should you.
You believe Islam is the truth and Islam would certainly bring me misery if I converted to it. It's moral teachings are much like Catholicism, especially in the sexual area, but even more restrictive since we can't eat pork, drink alcohol or smoke. No, thanks!
Worse than most, actually. Islam has no competition in that regard other than Christianity.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Sabour
Well-Known Member
That's not an answer. That's a refusal to even consider the question.
Jews and Christians don't have a problem with questioning why god does this or that and they develop reasonable (yet still debatable) arguments for their views. Why is Islam so inept as to not be able to develop such a sophisicated body of logical argumentation as its sibling faiths, Judaism and Christianity? I've never argued with a Muslim that was able to stack up to the best Christian philosophers and theologians, or even knowledgeable Christian apologists. You've had about 1,400 years to do so!
I presented an argument by saying perhaps it is because of different needs for different people in different ages.
One of the greatest teachings of Islam is to take things gradually and step by step.
However I don't know how accurate that answer is because it is based on how I am seeing things
Okay, if there's different needs for different people in different ages, than why should we believe that Mohammad is the final prophet or that Islam is for all of humanity for eternity? Different groups do have different needs that change according to the times so why shouldn't they just stick with their own native ways?
Sabour
Well-Known Member
Islam is living by what is acceptable for God and not by our own desires. I knew that you would say something like that but we are not to change what Islam is to suit anyone.Islam is about adhering to what Allah tells us to do and it is not that we look for what suits us.
As for what the scholars say about apostasy it is debatable.
You can refer to this thread.
www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam-dir/166373-apostasy-islam.html#post3867655
Well, if Islam is not going to allow for women's rights and LGBT rights, it deserves to go into the dustbin of history as such views become increasingly marginalized and laughable to more knowledgeable societies. You will certainly not be converting me.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
For the first part of your post it is something that I have already proved through the Quraan but you seem insisted on your position, so I have nothing to add.
Regarding your second part you made a claim and didn't ask any question and that claim has been discussed enough in the thread was Islam spread by the sword.
I found nothing to talk about as I believe debating you about your points will get us nowhere
There sure seems to be a pattern forming.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Well, anytime you are interested in an honest discussion, I'll be here - waiting...
Sabour
Well-Known Member
because there are no more prophets neither revelations and that would be of little significance if you dont believe in Quraan but it says that Muhammad peace be upon him is the seal of the prophets and Islam is the way acceptable to Allah. So if at one point you believe in Quraan so you must believe in that also
You're the one who said there could've been different needs for different people in different ages. So you contradicted yourself.