Your position about Islam

[Harikrish]

↑harikrish wrote:
Aisha has to be 6 because the prophet was still potty training her even as she was observing his own toilet rituals which she later recalled in her narratives.

This has GOT to be the most ridiculous, ignorant comment I have ever read on this forum, and quite possibly on ANY forum.

Please stop, you look foolish.

What is so foolish about Aisha being potty trained at 6?
Potty Training At 6 Years Old Advice from Dr. Phil
Potty Training At 6 Years Old Advice from Dr. Phil | Potty Training Concepts

 

[beenie]

What is so foolish about Aisha being potty trained at 6?
Potty Training At 6 Years Old Advice from Dr. Phil
Potty Training At 6 Years Old Advice from Dr. Phil | Potty Training Concepts

Just when I thought you couldn't look more foolish...

 

[V lad i mir]

I hope that only interested member about the topic would reply to it.

I have been pointed to create this thread in this section so I would be able to debate things.



Please note that some complex questions may require some time so I can get the answer to. I may also answer some question along with youtube videos.

I wish questions would be more directed towards theology and about Islam rather than being about Muslims and what they seem to do.

After all, not all muslims represent Islam. I would like to start with a misconception about Islam. This misconception is that we hate Jesus peace be upon him. As a matter of fact we don't and it is the other way round. Jesus peace be upon him is one of the greatest prophets in Islam and no one can be a muslim without believing in him and his miraculous birth from the mother Mary. There are far more misconceptions about Islam an here I would like to shed light and debate some of them


Two things I wish to hear from members so we can debate when there is a room for debate. I would be basing my answers from the Quraan when possible.

1- What is your position about Islam?

2- Do you have any questions that you would like having answers to?

3- Why do you think Islam is wrong?

1 - why I suppose to have any position about Islam? Islam for Muslims.
2 - how you can explain this - فَإِذَا انسَلَخَ الأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتَوُاْ الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
surah 9:5
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
3 - why?

 

[Sabour]

1 - why I suppose to have any position about Islam? Islam for Muslims.
2 - how you can explain this - فَإِذَا انسَلَخَ الأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتَوُاْ الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
surah 9:5
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
3 - why?

This particular verse you quoted is talking about a certain group of disbelievers who made a treaty with the prophet peace be upon him but broke it. You can see that from the start of the chapter.
1 [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.
2 So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.
3 And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.
4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
8 How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient.

However, as for combating, the rules in Islam is clear through other verses.

Islam is a system of life which tells you how you are supposed to live your life. So it provides answers or a pattern of thinking/response to every single situation you would face. If verses were removed, it will cease to be perfect and it would open people to retaliate the way they want and not the way God wants them too. Since Islam is a complete way of life it is normal to find verses where it tells you how to react when you are facing a war because regardless of whether we like that or not, it is part of life.


2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

2:191 And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

2:193
Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

2:194
[Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

If you look at the conditions to fight those than you will find,
1- They are the ones who started the fight.
2- They transgressed,.
3- Third they are the ones who expelled you out of your home.
4- regardless of all that, if they stopped, you have to stop too.


I don't think there exist anyone who has these ethics when it comes to war.

 

[V lad i mir]

this is all good. listen a story. once upon a time Russia unite Mid Asian and Caucasus countries, build cities, schools,universities, industry, hospitals and clinics ,infrastructure, send specialists to run it and teach people how to do it... in 80s those countries decide to separate from Russia. decide? you are welcome. done. you are independent. you know what hapеenеd then? Payback time. That was not on tv, papers or somewhere else. absolute silence. Silence in Russia,Europe,USA...like nothing unusual happened. daily routine. Uzbekistan - 1150000 Russians killed("Russians" mean-Russians ,Ukrainians,Belarusian,Russian Germans); Tadgikistan - 960000; Azerbajdjan - 300000... 3mill. killed, 4mill.refugees,200000 missing. it was not terrorists, it was population of those countries. Then they are find out - the are cant to run country, economy collapsed and the are run to Russia for money. 17 millions of them. 70% of criminal cases - migrants. 90% of rape cases - migrants. Is what Koran said to do? or what the heck is going on? I don want to blame all muslims. my best friend muslim. once I ask him that Q. he did not answer, did not look in my eyes, only smoke one after one. This is not Mekka, this is Moscow -http://www.amic.ru/images/news/images_07-2014/1670128_20140728130047.gif.jpg
http://www.rusimperia.info/files/russkie_v_sibir.jpg http://www.rus-obr.ru/files/000_38.jpg

 

[Sabour]

this is all good. listen a story. once upon a time Russia unite Mid Asian and Caucasus countries, build cities, schools,universities, industry, hospitals and clinics ,infrastructure, send specialists to run it and teach people how to do it... in 80s those countries decide to separate from Russia. decide? you are welcome. done. you are independent. you know what hapеenеd then? Payback time. That was not on tv, papers or somewhere else. absolute silence. Silence in Russia,Europe,USA...like nothing unusual happened. daily routine. Uzbekistan - 1150000 Russians killed("Russians" mean-Russians ,Ukrainians,Belarusian,Russian Germans); Tadgikistan - 960000; Azerbajdjan - 300000... 3mill. killed, 4mill.refugees,200000 missing. it was not terrorists, it was population of those countries. Then they are find out - the are cant to run country, economy collapsed and the are run to Russia for money. 17 millions of them. 70% of criminal cases - migrants. 90% of rape cases - migrants. Is what Koran said to do? or what the heck is going on? I don want to blame all muslims. my best friend muslim. once I ask him that Q. he did not answer, did not look in my eyes, only smoke one after one. This is not Mekka, this is Moscow -http://www.amic.ru/images/news/images_07-2014/1670128_20140728130047.gif.jpg
http://www.rusimperia.info/files/russkie_v_sibir.jpg http://www.rus-obr.ru/files/000_38.jpg

I was confused in between your lines. By I completely understand you frustration based on what I hear from the news.

What I would say is if you want to know what Quraan and Islam teaches, read the Quraan and learn about our prophet from islamic sources. Don't look at what people are doing. You can only know a true muslim by his heart and actions. Not by his beard or by saying Allah Akbar.

I would like you to watch this video and give it a serious thought.

Thank you for your input.

 

[Muffled]

What he said.

I believe the Shiites did what the Bible said they would do, exchange belief in Allah for a belief in Ares, the god of War. No doubt a great many Muslims today follow Ares instead of Allah.

 

[V lad i mir]

I was confused in between your lines. By I completely understand you frustration based on what I hear from the news.

What I would say is if you want to know what Quraan and Islam teaches, read the Quraan and learn about our prophet from islamic sources. Don't look at what people are doing. You can only know a true muslim by his heart and actions. Not by his beard or by saying Allah Akbar.

I would like you to watch this video and give it a serious thought.

Thank you for your input.

This is not from news. Media don't want people to know it. People distort prophets teaching, in Islam same like in Christianity. I have beard too. Allah Akbar on old prechristian "Russian" mean - slave of qahal/kahal. by the way - that lang. have a lot similarities with Arabic, and old time people in "Russia" use both lang. at the same time.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I was confused in between your lines. By I completely understand you frustration based on what I hear from the news.

What I would say is if you want to know what Quraan and Islam teaches, read the Quraan and learn about our prophet from islamic sources. Don't look at what people are doing. You can only know a true muslim by his heart and actions. Not by his beard or by saying Allah Akbar.

I would like you to watch this video and give it a serious thought.

We know the teachings of Islam
From the Koran does not need to follow the pious jurist in the KoranKoran in which more than word Kill fought and killed
Military teachings of Islam
Islam means fighting
For this to Ananaj to Fedohat
Even our Koran
This verse from the Koran to prove that Islam believes in terrorism
And prepared for them by the power of tanks, the enemy of Allah and your enemy

 

[JoStories]

I hope that only interested member about the topic would reply to it.

I have been pointed to create this thread in this section so I would be able to debate things.



Please note that some complex questions may require some time so I can get the answer to. I may also answer some question along with youtube videos.

I wish questions would be more directed towards theology and about Islam rather than being about Muslims and what they seem to do.

After all, not all muslims represent Islam. I would like to start with a misconception about Islam. This misconception is that we hate Jesus peace be upon him. As a matter of fact we don't and it is the other way round. Jesus peace be upon him is one of the greatest prophets in Islam and no one can be a muslim without believing in him and his miraculous birth from the mother Mary. There are far more misconceptions about Islam an here I would like to shed light and debate some of them


Two things I wish to hear from members so we can debate when there is a room for debate. I would be basing my answers from the Quraan when possible.

1- What is your position about Islam?

2- Do you have any questions that you would like having answers to?

3- Why do you think Islam is wrong?

1. I have no problem with Islam. I wish that the radicals did not make your faith seem so reprehensible to other people.
2. Why do you think that people view this faith so badly? And what of the verses within the Qu'ran that seem to indicate that Islam is spread by the sword?
3. Nothing is wrong with Islam save the members of ISIS who seem to take the Qu'ran as the basis of their idiocy.

 

[JoStories]

Do you think there are different levels of literalism and fanaticism between the 3 or are they all the same?

I think they all share different levels of fanaticism. Look at what the WBC has done to Christianity or what Israel has done to Palestine. They share these fanatic concepts to some degree. None are better or worse than the other.

 

[JoStories]

We know the teachings of Islam
From the Koran does not need to follow the pious jurist in the KoranKoran in which more than word Kill fought and killed
Military teachings of Islam
Islam means fighting
For this to Ananaj to Fedohat
Even our Koran
This verse from the Koran to prove that Islam believes in terrorism
And prepared for them by the power of tanks, the enemy of Allah and your enemy

Perhaps I am reading this wrong and if so, I apologize but what you say here is what is, IMO, wrong with Islam. I am NOT your enemy. Hell, I don't even know you but you would kill me because I would never convert to your faith. Your post makes me sad.

 

[JoStories]

Here was my point about required fanaticism.

Belief in the Koran - Koran


According to the Koran, a Muslim must believe the entire Koran, not just parts of it. Doubting any part of it is like doubting the whole volume. The same rule applies: all or none at all. Once a Muslim embraces the Six Pillars of Faith, he or she can begin practicing the faith that Allah teaches in His Holy Book.


I have found this to be pretty dang accurate, by every muslim I have debated here including staff.


Beliefs of Islam - Muslim Beliefs - ReligionFacts


There is no official creed to which one must adhere to be considered a Muslim. All that is required is to believe and recite the Shahada: "There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his Prophet."


And to me, following a pedophile warrior who plagiarized is beyond words I can use here.

How does that not pertain to the OT as well? I admit the stories contained therein are allegorical, as you know, but the stories contain similarities. People of the Jewish and Christian faiths follow stories like that of Lot and Sodom and most of those stories were taken from older myths as well, as you well know. How is there any significant difference?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I hope that only interested member about the topic would reply to it.

I have been pointed to create this thread in this section so I would be able to debate things.



Please note that some complex questions may require some time so I can get the answer to. I may also answer some question along with youtube videos.

I wish questions would be more directed towards theology and about Islam rather than being about Muslims and what they seem to do.

After all, not all muslims represent Islam. I would like to start with a misconception about Islam. This misconception is that we hate Jesus peace be upon him. As a matter of fact we don't and it is the other way round. Jesus peace be upon him is one of the greatest prophets in Islam and no one can be a muslim without believing in him and his miraculous birth from the mother Mary. There are far more misconceptions about Islam an here I would like to shed light and debate some of them


Two things I wish to hear from members so we can debate when there is a room for debate. I would be basing my answers from the Quraan when possible.

1- What is your position about Islam?

2- Do you have any questions that you would like having answers to?

3- Why do you think Islam is wrong?

1. My position on Islam: no problem with it per se. But you do not believe in Christ resurrected if I am correct. Perhaps you could answer why not considering you believe in him as a prophet. If you gain all that info about Christ elsewhere, then fine. But if not all and some of it is from the NT, then why not believe he is resurrected?

2. see above

3. I don't see it as wrong nor any faith come to that. I think we are all part of God but some stand in a better position than others (if I can put it that way). Based off what I have seen of a London Mosque, I think you have a lot right, more than Christianity. The Jews also appear to be correct in many ways. But no one seems to have the whole ideal for me- the Jews also do not believe the Messiah has come yet.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I think they all share different levels of fanaticism. Look at what the WBC has done to Christianity or what Israel has done to Palestine. They share these fanatic concepts to some degree. None are better or worse than the other.

Militant monotheism has done a great deal of damage over the last 2000 years and I am fed up with the lot of them.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Militant monotheism has done a great deal of damage over the last 2000 years and I am fed up with the lot of them.

That applies to atheists and secularists as well you know.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Perhaps I am reading this wrong and if so, I apologize but what you say here is what is, IMO, wrong with Islam. I am NOT your enemy. Hell, I don't even know you but you would kill me because I would never convert to your faith. Your post makes me sad.

He's an Iraqi Christian and he has trouble with English. He's criticizing Islam.

 

[JoStories]

Militant monotheism has done a great deal of damage over the last 2000 years and I am fed up with the lot of them.

I share that opinion Norman, I really do. I just don't think we should target Islam out just because it is more in the news right now. And just because these terrorists seem to take the limelight at the moment. And btw, thanks for enlarging the font.

 

[JoStories]

He's an Iraqi Christian and he has trouble with English. He's criticizing Islam.

ah...thanks Frank.

 

[JoStories]

That applies to atheists and secularists as well you know.

Not in any way as close to what those of faith have done, to my people, the indigenous peoples of Hawaii and many many more, and that is just the Christians.