Your saved as soon as you accept jesus.

[Yes]

I love watching/hearing when Christians disagree with each other over interpretations of the Bible. Over basic beliefs. This is exactly why there are so many denominations of Christianity. Even Christians can't agree on what the Bible really means and yet they seemed so surprised that there are people that don't believe in it. You guys can't even figure out amongst you what it is you are supposed to believe within it, why on Earth wouldn't others have issues with it? You can't even agree on what it is that we are supposed to believe because you can't agree on what to believe. Pretty much nearly every passage of that book can be interpreted in a different way and each denomination has its own way of looking at it and each thinks they are right and none will admit that it is a solely "believe what makes sense to you" issue, not a "this is the Word of God" issue. That's quite obvious because no one can really agree what actually is the "Word of God".

You have given that your religion is "Spiritual", but then you mock the "Christians" for having many different beliefs. Do you know how many different people claim to be spiritual but disagree?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How do you combine witchcraft, with your Catholic faith, Carlita??

For some reason I didn't get your question/alert. I used to practice Catholicism a year ago. I stopped going to Mass unless I'm paying respect to my Christian relatives who have passed and big Christian holidays in respect for Christ and the Church.

I don't hate the practice. I love the Church deeply; but, some doctrines in the Christian faith we disagree on.

Witchcraft, well, the modern use of the term, to me is a default to all faiths. Being involved in the unknown to manifest or manipulate the known. For example, prayer is involving the unknown (talking out loud or in person) to manifest or manipulate the known (ask for blessings or give blessings to influence the known).

I don't see it as "having correspondences for spells; saying chants; etc..." so when I have an alter, I pray to my family, do things that any person of any religion would do to associate him/herself with their Divine, God, or Ancestors.

Witchcraft today doesn't reflect that of the past. The past, witchcraft was a polytheistic faith. Now, people can be atheist and witches at the same time.

Short answer: I don't.

 

[AllanV]

Jesus laid His hands on many of those he healed; however, he could heal without laying his hands on people. Scripture tells of when Jesus was nowhere near the area of the servant of the centurion when he healed him. See Matthew 8:8.

I understand but in this case we start in unbelief and need to progress. A small event of something supernatural needs to take place and is the evidence that faith is based on.
Many if not most church goers have never had the Holy Spirit experience where the mind is opened up to know the truth.

 

[Draka]

You have given that your religion is "Spiritual", but then you mock the "Christians" for having many different beliefs. Do you know how many different people claim to be spiritual but disagree?

Spiritual can mean many different things. It is unique to the person and what their beliefs are. And yes, as long as Christians tell other non-Christians they need to believe in the Bible and the words within it I will have something to mock as even those whom claim to be Christians cannot even agree on what those words really mean. Why don't Christians just worry about getting themselves straight and on the same path before they go preaching to others as to what that path even is or what it entails?

 

[Draka]

Satan ensnares people to believe and teach falseness.

If you want to know Jesus, then you must first do what he says to do, and that is to get his teachings and obey them.

Why would you think I have any desire to "know Jesus" anyway? And, as I said before, following your line of thought,in order for you to know or speak about any other religion or religious icon then you should first follow and obey their teachings. So until you follow and obey other gods then you don't know anything about them nor can speak about them as you obviously don't know them. Right? Right. I mean, using your own argument and all.

 

[Yes]

I understand but in this case we start in unbelief and need to progress. A small event of something supernatural needs to take place and is the evidence that faith is based on.
Many if not most church goers have never had the Holy Spirit experience where the mind is opened up to know the truth.

All they have to do is search for God with al their heart, and they will find Him.

We search for God by getting Jesus' teachings.

We find God by obeying Jesus' teachings.

Jesus will reveal himself to those who get his teachings and obey them.

See Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.


Matthew 7:7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.


Matthew 7:8
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those who obey him, Acts 5:32, and John 14:23.

The people who obey Jesus are the people Jesus reveals himself to. See John 14:21.

 

[Yes]

Why would you think I have any desire to "know Jesus" anyway? And, as I said before, following your line of thought,in order for you to know or speak about any other religion or religious icon then you should first follow and obey their teachings. So until you follow and obey other gods then you don't know anything about them nor can speak about them as you obviously don't know them. Right? Right. I mean, using your own argument and all.

What is your point?

Only the stubborn and rebellious reject Jesus.

They reject the truth and follow their own imaginations.

That is what the Bible says.

 

[Yes]

Spiritual can mean many different things. It is unique to the person and what their beliefs are. And yes, as long as Christians tell other non-Christians they need to believe in the Bible and the words within it I will have something to mock as even those whom claim to be Christians cannot even agree on what those words really mean. Why don't Christians just worry about getting themselves straight and on the same path before they go preaching to others as to what that path even is or what it entails?

You are laughing at 'Christians' who have been ensnared by the devil to believe in false doctrines. You are laughing at them when you yourself is ensnared.

 

[Draka]

What is your point?

Only the stubborn and rebellious reject Jesus.

They reject the truth and follow their own imaginations.

That is what the Bible says.

"That is what the Bible says"...and yet I just pointed out that the bible itself is just an "interpret as you like until it makes sense to your personal level of understanding" book of stories. You are welcome to base your beliefs on the mythology contained within it, sure, but just realize that you pretty are just choosing what it "really means" just like every other Christian.

You are laughing at 'Christians' who have been ensnared by the devil to believe in false doctrines. You are laughing at them when you yourself is ensnared.

I'm not ensnared by anything just because you believe it so based on your book of choice.

 

[AllanV]

All they have to do is search for God with al their heart, and they will find Him.

We search for God by getting Jesus' teachings.

We find God by obeying Jesus' teachings.

Jesus will reveal himself to those who get his teachings and obey them.

See Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.


Matthew 7:7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.


Matthew 7:8
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those who obey him, Acts 5:32, and John 14:23.

The people who obey Jesus are the people Jesus reveals himself to. See John 14:21.

It is interesting but in my situation there was no searching as I had never been to a church to understand what it was all about but had a spontaneous unsought experience of God. I know it is true. The diversity of Christian Churches put out a very confused message any way.

When I began to look into the Bible the experience that was given to me was as though all the words were already known and placed in my mind.

But now if I do seek with all my heart and mind then I am able to go into a deep experience apart from my usual life.

 

[Yes]

"That is what the Bible says"...and yet I just pointed out that the bible itself is just an "interpret as you like until it makes sense to your personal level of understanding" book of stories. You are welcome to base your beliefs on the mythology contained within it, sure, but just realize that you pretty are just choosing what it "really means" just like every other Christian.

I'm not ensnared by anything just because you believe it so based on your book of choice.

If you want to know for yourself if what Jesus says in the Bible is true, then you have to get his teachings and obey them, and then you will find out for yourself.

You are merely mocking people who have not done so. I have done what Jesus says and know Him.

You are no better than those you mock.

If you do not want to seek God, it is because you are stubborn and rebellious. You follow your own imagination.

 

[Yes]

It is interesting but in my situation there was no searching as I had never been to a church to understand what it was all about but had a spontaneous unsought experience of God. I know it is true. The diversity of Christian Churches put out a very confused message any way.

When I began to look into the Bible the experience that was given to me was as though all the words were already known and placed in my mind.

But now if I do seek with all my heart and mind then I am able to go into a deep experience apart from my usual life.

You are not speaking and doing what God's Word says.

We are to obey him first, and then we are saved.

See Acts 5:32, and John 14:10, and 23.

 

[Desert Snake]

You are not speaking and doing what God's Word says.

We are to obey him first, and then we are saved.

See Acts 5:32, and John 14:10, and 23.

'Church' means Christians. Not a building.

 

[Yes]

'Church' means Christians. Not a building.

Quit coming on here and saying anything. If you are agreeing with me, then agree. If you are not, then show where I said we are a building.

 

[Draka]

If you want to know for yourself if what Jesus says in the Bible is true, then you have to get his teachings and obey them, and then you will find out for yourself.

You are merely mocking people who have not done so. I have done what Jesus says and know Him.

You are no better than those you mock.

If you do not want to seek God, it is because you are stubborn and rebellious. You follow your own imagination.

If you want to know for yourself if what is said in the Vedas is correct then you must follow them, live by what they say and you will find out for yourself.

If you do not seek Cernunnos it is because you are stubborn and rebellious. You follow your own imagination.

If you want to learn what Thor is all about you must follow and obey him.

You are no better than those you mock...for their disbelief in what you believe.

Only the stubborn and rebellious reject Athena.

You have given that your religion is "Christian", but then you mock the "Spiritual" for having many different beliefs. Do you know how many different people claim to be Christian but disagree?

 

[Sha'irullah]

This is all so discouraging. I would never worship a tyrant or accept this person into my life. It is like saying one must accept a cosmic Hitler in order to have peace. It makes no sense

 

[AllanV]

You are not speaking and doing what God's Word says.

We are to obey him first, and then we are saved.

See Acts 5:32, and John 14:10, and 23.

I have come under much criticism by Christians. You can have the paper But I know the Spirit.
Are you saying we should keep the ten commandments and then we are saved.

 

[YmirGF]

If you want to know for yourself if what Jesus says in the Bible is true, then you have to get his teachings and obey them, and then you will find out for yourself.

You are merely mocking people who have not done so. I have done what Jesus says and know Him.

You are no better than those you mock.

If you do not want to seek God, it is because you are stubborn and rebellious. You follow your own imagination.

This post takes "holier than thou" to dizzying new heights.

 

[YmirGF]

You are not speaking and doing what God's Word says.

We are to obey him first, and then we are saved.

See Acts 5:32, and John 14:10, and 23.

Some of us don't have to obey as we are already friends of the family. Happy grovelling though.

 

[Ouroboros]

People think there is some process to go through, but it isn't the case. All one has to do is accept Jesus, and their saved. No magic ceremonies required.

Thanks

I accepted Jesus in 1972, but became an atheist some years after 2000. Not quite sure when. But last couple of years I'm drawn more towards naturalistic pantheism, which means I'm still an atheist, but I'm starting to see the true value of to me a better understanding what Jesus is supposed to symbolize. Jesus isn't a physical entity somewhere in a different dimension that you talk to and somehow magically receive in your heart. You are Jesus. Your journey in life is a reflection of the salvation journey you are making. Accepting Jesus is more about realizing the totality of existence. Jesus is supposedly Logos, which are the physical laws of nature. It's just another name for Nature. Accepting the world as it is, is to receive Jesus. No magic involved.