Magic Man
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Everyone is right as long as they're not trying to impose their perspective on everyone else.
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Your view on abortion. Atheist welcome.
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Everyone is right as long as they're not trying to impose their perspective on everyone else.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
First of all thats stating the obvious.The only "enough" protection is to not have sex at all or have your uterus and or overies removed.So whats your point?
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Circle_One
Well-Known Member
Wow, even I've got to chime in on this line.
Really? You really believe that finding a loving, caring family to adopt your child isn't hard to find? You're incredibly naive then, darling.
Why don't you go and talk to all the children that have spent their lives moving from foster home to foster home because there's NO ONE to take them? Or maybe talk to those who have been adopted, but alas, adopted by parents who beat and molest them and really only took them in for that extra amount on the welfare check.
Before you make claims like this one, let yourself grow up a little and actually see the world for what it is, Leah. It's time to take off those rose-colored glasses.
leahrachelle
Active Member
You're contradicting yourself. You can't tell me something for assuming that someone's wrong or right when you're doing the same thing.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Yep..except you are only counting the U.S right?And you are only counting the children that have "no parents" right?
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Honestly, I just grabbed the first number that came up on Google. It is limited to the US, though.
leahrachelle
Active Member
So being mobile makes it a human??
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Wait I take that back 100% of women that have abortions didnt use enough protection.Adn 100% of the men that got her pregnant didnt either!!!
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Dallas
Circle_One
Well-Known Member
There are creatures that are mobile in this thread, but I wouldn't necessarily call them "human".
leahrachelle
Active Member
Get pregnant and stick a flashlight on your belly after a couple months. There's your evidence
(I do think this is 3 or 4 months in the pregnancy, though, not the first trimester - when they'll turn away from light that is)
McBell
Unbound
HUH?
The fact that it is a HUMAN sperm that fertilizes a HUMAN egg is what makes it HUMAN.
And to take it a step further...It is a LIVING HUMAN sperm that fertilizes a LIVING HUMAN egg.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
right..ALL the world has ALL these loving and stable and capable people just right round the corner EAGER to take on loving and supporting every "unwanted child".
And lets just not talk about the fact that there are masses of suffering children already here.
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Dallas
leahrachelle
Active Member
This absolutely sickens me... How absolutely rediculous..Sure, everyone would love to just turn their heads and pretend this stuff is not happening.
"...Stanek went public with her traumatizing experiences when hospital staff refused to stop the practice of infanticide. In 2000 she was asked to testify before a U.S. House committee for the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA). The BAIPA was a two-paragraph bill intended to clarify that any baby who is entirely expelled from his or her mother, and who shows any signs of life, is to be regarded as a legal "person" for all federal law purposes, whether or not the baby was born during an attempted abortion.
A version of this bill, almost identical to the federal bill, was eventually brought before the Illinois Senate, ....
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"Christ hospital - and we now know other hospitals and clinics around the country - are involved in an abortion procedure called 'induced labor abortion,'" says Stanek in the video, entitled "Kill and Destroy". In this type of abortion, she says, the abortionist inserts a medication into the birth canal of the mother and induces premature labor.
"My experience was that they [the babies] survive as short as a few minutes, to once, almost as long as an eight hour shift.
"To be clear these were living babies who were left out to die. And they were issued both birth and death certificates according to Illinois state law."
Stanek relates the story of how one night she saw a nurse bringing a baby to the soiled utility room to die, because the parents of the child did not want to hold it. The other nurse also did not have the time to hold the child. "When she told me what she was doing I couldn't bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone," says Stanek. "And so I cradled and rocked him for the forty-five minutes that he lived."
Stanek recounts how, besides testifying before the federal House, she also testified before an Illinois State Senate Committee..."
How Babies Were Left to Die: Nurse Recounts Horrors of Infanticide Practice Barack Obama Protected
I bet that baby that lived 8 hours could have lived perfectly fine if it was given medical care...
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
You'd lose. That would be infantide, probably murder 1. Doctors aren't that stupid.
leahrachelle
Active Member
Thanks for posting this as wellthey are alive.
what does 20 weeks look like?
The Baptist Children's Hospital in Miami, Florida, said Amillia Sonja Taylor was born at 21 weeks and six days on 24 October 2006
Conceived by in vitro fertilisation, she was delivered via Caesarean section after attempts to delay a premature delivery failed, the hospital said. She breathed without assistance at birth and even tried to cry.
World's most premature baby set to leave hospital - life - 20 February 2007 - New Scientist
living, breathing human beings.
leahrachelle
Active Member
Sorry for the misunderstanding then..
And no, I was not trying to be 'clever.' I'm not sure why you think that
leahrachelle
Active Member
And there are tons of foster parents out there
McBell
Unbound
For those who are interested in an update on the above story:they are alive.
what does 20 weeks look like?
The Baptist Children's Hospital in Miami, Florida, said Amillia Sonja Taylor was born at 21 weeks and six days on 24 October 2006
Conceived by in vitro fertilisation, she was delivered via Caesarean section after attempts to delay a premature delivery failed, the hospital said. She breathed without assistance at birth and even tried to cry.
World's most premature baby set to leave hospital - life - 20 February 2007 - New Scientist
living, breathing human beings.
Amillia Taylor Turns 1!!
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Most hospitals will not perfornm late term abortions period.(late term after 16 weeks) Its illegal in clincis. But it is legal in many states up to 24 weeks in a hospital only...Of the ones that will ..each state has a requirement for a 2nd physician or not a 2nd physician to attend in case there are signs of life outside the womb.The second physicain is there to render medical aid in those situations.But its up to the state whether that is required or not.If its not required..it is possible late term abortions result in a very very premature baby on their hands that they can not try and save.
Thats my understanding of it.
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Dallas
leahrachelle
Active Member
Perfect birth control use + plus a condom + pulling out
A million to one? I'd say so