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Your view on abortion. Atheist welcome.

DallasApple

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
We simply can't just grow more food. The urban population of the world is around 75%. How can we expect the 25% of the rural population to sustain the city dwellers who increase every year? More and more people move to cities every year. These cities are users and not producers.
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But they go to work and pay for it.Its not like its free or anything.

Love

Dallas
 
darkendless

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
DallasApple said:
But how do you know they know??

Just because you think they know doesnt mean you are right.

Love

Dallas
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We put faith in doctors to do the work they do the same way meteorologists predict natural weather phenomena. Like with everything else scientific which of late has been bleak, you just have to hope they're wrong i guess.
Sadly salinisation is something we cannot avoid. I don't know if you remember what Rome did to Carthage back in the day? Well we're doing it to ourselves right now :(

We have to pay for food, but we cannot pay for fertile land. Manpower in rural areas has its limits. Its going to take a shock to the system before our evil paymasters do something about it.
 
DallasApple

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
You cant make me change my mind.I just KNOW in my heart that the world can EASILY take care of 40 or 75 billion people.WE may not understand everything..But that is a fact.And assuming that its not true makes you the wrong one.

Love

Dallas
 
S

Sententia

Well-Known Member
S-word said:
Exodus 21: 23, shows that God does not consider a forming foetus to be a living person.
If a man in a fight happens to knock a pregnant woman down, and if the woman herself, (A living Person) is hurt in any way, the punishment shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. But if it only the forming foetus which is lost, the womans husband only has the right to monetary compensation according to the approval of the judges, which is the same as in the case of the death of one of his animals by the hand of his neighbour.

How would you feel if the anti-abortion lobby were able to convince the authorities that be, to classify the forming foetus as a living person, meaning that you could be charged with murder or manslaughter for causing a pregnant woman to miscarry, even though by nature, she may not have been able to carry her pregnancy to its full term.

Do you accuse a woman who had an abortion, of having killed her unborn child? Or do you believe that a woman has the right of decision over her own body, and believe that she has the right to terminate the continued growth of the unwanted potential person=spirit who may develop in that body if it is allowed to form into a mature human body?
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This phrasing of the topic annoys me. You are comparing abortion to peeps attacking pregnant women? Seriously?

I have 2 kids and if either were gonna be born into torture or with severe birth defects I would have aborted them. As it turns out their ******* ridiculous incarnations of me and that even annoys me. hehe.

I am pro choice. To the point of the father really should STFU. Its the womans body and her life.

You want to say people beyond that father should have a say? Ummm obviously no. You can have your opinion but its not to be made legal and forced upon others.

If your against abortion. Get a sign. Stand on the side of the road. And broadcast your opinion. ;)
 
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DallasApple

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
This phrasing of the topic annoys me. You are comparing abortion to peeps attacking prenant women? Seriously?
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Oh honey..its even worse than that.Havent you got the memo? A pregnant woman that has an abortion is a murderer?The worse kind..A mother that murders her own baby.She is a baby killer.

Trust me..Im one of them.

I should be on death row.Awaiting my execution.

Love

Dallas
 
S

Sententia

Well-Known Member
DallasApple said:
Oh honey..its even worse than that.Havent you got the memo? A pregnant woman that has an abortion is a murderer?The worse kind..A mother that murders her own baby.She is a baby killer.

Trust me..Im one of them.

I should be on death row.Awaiting my execution.

Love

Dallas
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I dont see how... Atleast to me.
 
Comicaze247

Comicaze247

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idea said:
The heart is the first organ to form in a fetus' body. ... there is a heartbeat. Have you ever been pregnant? You go into the doctor's office, and they let you listen to the heartbeat. Thta's how you know everything is going ok - when you can hear their little heart...
YouTube - fetal development

Their little eyes can see. You can put a flashlight up to your tummy, and they squirm! It really works. They actually like the dark better - keep you up all night long, then they sleep during the day. They can hear - my second and third could recognize the voices of their siblings in the delivery room. They can hear, they respond to noises - I went to a big fireworks show when I was prego - squirmed and squired at each blast, I felt a little bad about subjecting them to that scary noise.

If you have been pregnant, you know they are alive. You know they are human, you know they are worth everything you can possibly give to them.

YouTube - Diary Of An Unborn Baby

How do you define life?
YouTube - Life Begins at Fertilization
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You do realize that you're describing the later stages of pregnancy when abortion is no longer legally an option, right? Of course you can't legally abort a baby when it's already moving, that's just sick.

And what about extreme circumstances?
What if the woman is a rape victim? Do you expect her to give birth to the seed of a rapist?
What if a doctor tells a girl that her body is too underdeveloped to have a baby and she'd die in childbirth? What do you expect her to do?
What if a woman knows for a fact that she could never support a child nor could she afford the hospital bills? Would dumping the baby on the street after birth be a kinder or crueler fate?
 
Comicaze247

Comicaze247

See the previous line
DallasApple said:
But if i we have "all the resources " we personally need and then some ..it couldnt possibly be the world is over populated.Don't you undertand that? I personally think that the world could handle at LEAST 30 or 40 billion people.To assume otherwise is just plain wrong.

Love

Dallas
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Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Sociologists are really concerned with the rate at which the world population is growing. My sociology teacher personally says "we're ******." Studies show we'll have around 9 to 10 billion people by 2050. U.S. orphanages are overcrowded. China's incredibly overcrowded (their country alone makes up 1.3 billion out of the 6.4-ish billion people on the planet). India's just behind China, but catching up.

We're already struggling to feed the world and we can only have so much farm land. We're already cutting down forests at an alarming rate to build homes for the people we already have. And you think the earth can handle 30 to 40 billion?

We humans are the only creatures out of sync with the natural world around us. Most creatures know when there is an imbalance, but we don't. Most creatures take just enough to survive, while we humans live in excess, taking much more than we need. Eventually, we're going to be eating more food than we can make, having more people than we can house, cutting down more trees for houses without allowing them enough time to regrow (we already do that). It's just like what Agent Smith said in The Matrix. We are a virus. We move in, breed and use until there's nothing left, then move on to the next area.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Comicaze247 said:
You do realize that you're describing the later stages of pregnancy when abortion is no longer legally an option, right? Of course you can't legally abort a baby when it's already moving, that's just sick.
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Actually I'm pretty sure you can. You do realize that the baby is moving in the first trimester, right?
 
DallasApple

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
Storm said:
Ever been pregnant? I have. It moves.
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In the first trimester?

I felt "flutters" called "quickening" at about 15 weeks.

But I wouldnt call that "moving" myself personally.

Love

Dallas

(on second thought it may have been a wee bit earlir than that)
 
idea

idea

Question Everything
angellous_evangellous said:
The really sick thing is how succeptible some people are to baseless propaganda.
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Sure, everyone would love to just turn their heads and pretend this stuff is not happening.


"...Stanek went public with her traumatizing experiences when hospital staff refused to stop the practice of infanticide. In 2000 she was asked to testify before a U.S. House committee for the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA). The BAIPA was a two-paragraph bill intended to clarify that any baby who is entirely expelled from his or her mother, and who shows any signs of life, is to be regarded as a legal "person" for all federal law purposes, whether or not the baby was born during an attempted abortion.
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A version of this bill, almost identical to the federal bill, was eventually brought before the Illinois Senate, ....
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"Christ hospital - and we now know other hospitals and clinics around the country - are involved in an abortion procedure called 'induced labor abortion,'" says Stanek in the video, entitled "Kill and Destroy". In this type of abortion, she says, the abortionist inserts a medication into the birth canal of the mother and induces premature labor.
"My experience was that they [the babies] survive as short as a few minutes, to once, almost as long as an eight hour shift.

"To be clear these were living babies who were left out to die. And they were issued both birth and death certificates according to Illinois state law."

Stanek relates the story of how one night she saw a nurse bringing a baby to the soiled utility room to die, because the parents of the child did not want to hold it. The other nurse also did not have the time to hold the child. "When she told me what she was doing I couldn't bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone," says Stanek. "And so I cradled and rocked him for the forty-five minutes that he lived."

Stanek recounts how, besides testifying before the federal House, she also testified before an Illinois State Senate Committee..."

How Babies Were Left to Die: Nurse Recounts Horrors of Infanticide Practice Barack Obama Protected
 
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