Zionism

[I.S.L.A.M617]

French in terms of nationality, yes, but not in terms of ethnicity. Judaism is ethno-religious group that is unique in that, if you convert, you are considered part of the religion and the ethnicity. Sure, it doesn't change you're genetics, but it does change your identity.

That doesn't make you any less ethnically French. You can in fact be a part of multiple ethnic groups; be French AND Jewish. I'm a racially mixed mutt; do I have to pick which ethnicity I feel I most "fit in" to?

Israeli in terms of nationality, yes. They have the same rights as Israeli Jews but the identity of the state is Jewish nonetheless. Much like how a Moroccan Muslim in France is considered French, despite the national identity of France being French and Catholic or secular.

I don't see why the official national identity is so important. Who cares if there's a Jewish country, or a Catholic country, or a country for people who like to watch midgets pee on balloons? It's all so stupid in my opinion...

 

[Moishe3rd]

Why is that so necessary?

Because the history of the Jews is a history of Christian Europe, with a bit of overlap into the Muslim Empires, persecuting and murdering the Jewish people for the last 1500 years, culminating with the Holocaust making Europe (outside of the Soviet Empire), essentially Judenrein.
Then the Arab/ Muslim world, to take their minds off of their own horrific self-immolation, decided that the Jewish State of Israel was, indeed, the most criminal State on planet Earth and must be annihilated.
Then, after a brief hiatus of guilt, Europe agreed with the Arab/ Muslim world that Israel was the root of all mankind's problems.

So, as the Jews and religious folk of the United States become overwhelmed by Liberal guilt and political correctness, the Jewish State of Israel will be standing alone - a shining city on a hill; the last, best hope of mankind...
And the only place on planet Earth where Jews will still be free to defend themselves against persecution and destruction.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

So, as the Jews and religious folk of the United States become overwhelmed by Liberal guilt and political correctness, the Jewish State of Israel will be standing alone - a shining city on a hill; the last, best hope of mankind...
And the only place on planet Earth where Jews will still be free to defend themselves against persecution and destruction.

That's a tad dramatic... What about the liberal Jews?

 

[Moishe3rd]

That's a tad dramatic... What about the liberal Jews?

I don't know? What about the Liberal Jews? Or rather, what do you mean by "Liberal Jews?"

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I don't know? What about the Liberal Jews? Or rather, what do you mean by "Liberal Jews?"

You said Liberal guilt is assaulting all of mankind (which is a load of crap...), but what about the Liberals applying this guilt that happen to be Jewish? Will they be allowed in your kingdom of Israel that is the "last hope of mankind"? Or are they not real Jews worthy of the kingdom?

EDIT: Excuse me, Liberal guilt is assaulting all the "good religious folk"... The rest of mankind is obviously inferior and not worthy of your utopia...

 

[Moishe3rd]

You said Liberal guilt is assaulting all of mankind (which is a load of crap...), but what about the Liberals applying this guilt that happen to be Jewish? Will they be allowed in your kingdom of Israel that is the "last hope of mankind"? Or are they not real Jews worthy of the kingdom?

Oh.
What I wrote was that: " as the Jews and religious folk of the United States become overwhelmed by Liberal guilt and political correctness..."

The United States is the only other nation on Earth where Jews thrive. Approximately 1/2 of the world's Jewish population in in the US. The other half is in Israel.
G-d has traditionally had "two camps" of Jews in this world. In recent history, the two camps were Europe (European Jews) and the Middle East (Jews in the Muslim Empires).
With the Holocaust of Europe and the establishment of the State of Israel, the "two camps " became the US and Israel (decidedly so after the exodus of Jews from the former Soviet Union).

If the United States (Jews; Christians; whomever) fades into Liberal guilt; political correctness; and therefore, irrelevance, being Jewish in the US will cease to be relevant and, therefore, the Jewish State of Israel will be the only Jewish stronghold on Earth.
Now, admittedly, that's a pretty big "If." It is my religious belief that G-d Always maintains "two camps" of Jews.

However - your question about Jews being "allowed in your kingdom of Israel," is not particularly relevant to my point. How would I know?
At this point in time, Israel is one of the most diverse countries on Earth. But, they do love having Jews of any stripe make aliyah.
I don't see why that would change.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

If the United States (Jews; Christians; whomever) fades into Liberal guilt; political correctness; and therefore, irrelevance, being Jewish in the US will cease to be relevant and, therefore, the Jewish State of Israel will be the only Jewish stronghold on Earth.

Being Jewish isn't relevant anywhere; rather, not any more relevant than being anything else is. We're all the same; the idea that any group of people is somehow special is just ridiculous. Nobody's so special that people like them have an unalienable right to a land they can call their own. You want a land? Take one. Just don't claim you have some divine right to it that nobody else has. Anything and everything is up for conquest.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Being Jewish isn't relevant anywhere; ...

It is to me.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

It is to me.

More so than being anything else?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

More so than being anything else?

Your question is incoherent. I've told you that being Jewish is relevant to me.

 

[Shermana]

Being Jewish isn't relevant anywhere; rather, not any more relevant than being anything else is. We're all the same; the idea that any group of people is somehow special is just ridiculous. Nobody's so special that people like them have an unalienable right to a land they can call their own. You want a land? Take one. Just don't claim you have some divine right to it that nobody else has. Anything and everything is up for conquest.

Umm, not relevant anywhere?

I think the Jews would beg to differ.

I don't see it as ridiculous to believe that the Powers that Be selected one particular tribe to be the doers of their Will. Why is that ridiculous?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Your question is incoherent. I've told you that being Jewish is relevant to me.

Ok... That doesn't make it relevant in the grand scheme of things outside your personal opinion. Being Basque is relevant to me. You don't see me marching with Basque separatists demanding the independence of Basque country... No group of people is more important/valuable than another; definitely not so much that they have an inalienable right to their own country.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Umm, not relevant anywhere?

I think the Jews would beg to differ.

I don't see it as ridiculous to believe that the Powers that Be selected one particular tribe to be the doers of their Will. Why is that ridiculous?

Because it's not relevant to people that don't believe in your divine "powers that be"... As much as you don't like to hear it, there are a good many people in the world that don't believe in Yahweh or see anything he supposedly mandated to mean anything important...

 

[Shermana]

Because it's not relevant to people that don't believe in your divine "powers that be"... As much as you don't like to hear it, there are a good many people in the world that don't believe in Yahweh or see anything he supposedly mandated to mean anything important...

Well in that case, the opinion of this minority that doesn't believe in Powers That be are irrelevant to the Jews. So now what?

 

[Shermana]

Ok... That doesn't make it relevant in the grand scheme of things outside your personal opinion. Being Basque is relevant to me. You don't see me marching with Basque separatists demanding the independence of Basque country... No group of people is more important/valuable than another; definitely not so much that they have an inalienable right to their own country.

Would you if you were in Spain?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Well in that case, the opinion of this minority that doesn't believe in Powers That be are irrelevant to the Jews. So now what?

Minority? There's only like 14 million Jews on a planet of 6+ billion people... Who's the minority? There are a billion Muslims, a billion Hindus, and hundreds of millions of others who would say otherwise. You can believe your god mandates whatever you want; that doesn't give him any real power...

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Would you if you were in Spain?

No; being in Spain wouldn't change my opinions on the value of human life... What kind of question is that?

 

[Shermana]

No; being in Spain wouldn't change my opinions on the value of human life... What kind of question is that?

I'm asking if you would take part in the Free Basque movement if you actually lived there.

 

[Shermana]

Minority? There's only like 14 million Jews on a planet of 6+ billion people... Who's the minority? There are a billion Muslims, a billion Hindus, and hundreds of millions of others who would say otherwise. You can believe your god mandates whatever you want; that doesn't give him any real power...

Did you forget what you were talking about? We're talking about people who don't believe in the Supreme Power, particularly YHWH. As it stands, I believe the majority of people on this Earth are Christian or Islamic (54%). Thus the minority are those who don't agree with the Abrahamic god.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I'm asking if you would take part in the Free Basque movement if you actually lived there.

No. I don't believe Basques deserve our own country any more than Spaniards do.