ZIONIST Grip on American Films

[dust1n]

Here's the deal, Dustin. You don't have to listen to what I think. Got that? All you need do is hunker down and read a few history books. That may take a few months. You cannot possibly expect to understand the subtleties and nuances of the Middle East conflict by spending an hour here and there doing Google searches.

I agree with you, but I can make reasoning out of information I find available. I'm not being properly refuted by anyone, and I don't expected pages and pages of a response.

I don't claim to know everything, Dustin, however I am a fairly astute political observer. Plus, I have read - a lot. It is unreasonable to expect me to boil down my understanding of the situation into one or two posts... or even five posts. The situation in the Middle East is far more complex than people realize and that IS a fact. Know that I fully support Caladan's perspective and am a strident supporter of the state of Israel and the Jewish people. Other than Jayhawker Soule, Caladan is one of the few that can speak with any real understanding on this ongoing situation, so, you may be wise to listen to what he is saying.

Besides, my own personal views would be deemed so incendiary that I would likely be banned from RF for making them a part of the public record, as they would not be seen as being particularly politically correct. When you do not have the ability to call a spade a spade there isn't much point in talking about small gardening implements.

I supported Caladan's perspective more than anyone elses so far. I am not against the Israel or of Jewish people. I understand the entire situation is far more complex than you or Caladan can fully understand, let alone me. (And I do plan on reading about it more.)

Do I think that the creation of Israel ****** over a lot of people? Yes. Do I think that immigration of Jewish people in America probably would have been better, at least in terms of foreign policy? Yes. Does that mean I think the solution is to again displace a few million Jewish people due to the past? No. Does that mean I think it's alright for the wall to exist, further settlements (and from what I've read, though they are not supported, are still expanding, thought not at the past rate)? No. Do I think it's okay for people to ignore the Palestinian perspective in the entire situation? No.

The past is the past, what I'm hoping is that the present can be changed so that the future will be better for both parties involved, which would ultimately be no one shooting at anyone. Though with mentalities like 'god gave us this land', it worries me, because like .lava said, technically 'god gave them more land than what they have', so what can I base for that? Can I deduct there is a faction of people who want to expand Israels borders? I would imagine so, and it wouldn't be on anything more solid than a religious book.

I don't mean to personally attack or anything, but this is suppose to be an educational process, and watching from the sidelines to just comment on who you think is wrong, humorously poke at them, and then provide nothing else, is not educational at all, it's retrogressive. I'm definitely not asking you for you paint the entire picture for me, but if I'm asserting something you feel is wrong, please correct me, and if it's that politically incorrect you feel you can't post it on the forum, feel free to PM me.

 

[IF_u_knew]

God gave me your home could you move out by friday?

I had a muslim ask me how I would feel if this happened to me. Ironic thing is, I *was* unfairly bullied out of my home and with 2 kids in tow and even nothing but the clothes on our backs. Then, MY FAMILY took us in and gave us a home. Bitterness is only a part of Life, but when it becomes the driving force of your life ... conflict and unhappiness for all involved ensues.

Besides the Arab World expelled the Jewish from THEIR land ... what had been these Jews own personal home for almost 2 centuries and the Jewish absorbed them into the land that had become Israel. I am not arguing that decision of the Arabs. Israel has MANY of the Palestinians living amoung them in what is recognized as their land even now. Imagine what a field day you all REALLY could have then if they expelled them in the way that the Arabs did to their own People ...

Logic and fairness: that is my MAIN source.

 

[aymen amir]

I GUESS the only thing i did on this thread was start a TOUGH debate

 

[McBell]

I GUESS the only thing i did on this thread was start a TOUGH debate

I agree.

Though i am wondering if you wee actually going to join the debate....

 

[arimoff]

Now just come on, there is no proof of Jews in Israel?

Following Saladin's victory over the crusaders He brought Jews back to Jerusalem. Read up on your history.

I know my history and it speaks for it self, the mare fact that as was promised we would be exiled and return home after 2000 yrs is a prove it self.

Rather then waiting to see G-D to prove His existence, He proved His existence through us Jews, people without land surviving for 2000 years and returning home is the biggest prove that G-D exists.

Jew is the prove that G-D exists.

good luck to you all.

 

[McBell]

I know my history and it speaks for it self, the mare fact that as was promised we would be exiled and return home after 2000 yrs is a prove it self.

Rather then waiting to see G-D to prove His existence, He proved His existence through us Jews, people without land surviving for 2000 years and returning home is the biggest prove that G-D exists.

Jew is the prove that G-D exists.

good luck to you all.

Wow.
Seems to me your standards for "Proof" are extremely low.

 

[arimoff]

Wow.
Seems to me your standards for "Proof" are extremely low.

Low? You think after all these years and the entire continent of Europe full of my ancestors blood but yet I am still here is a low standard to thank and believe in G-D that We survived? continue to survive and will survive!!!!!

How fast everybody forgets,lets remember why did the Jews started to move to Palestine after ww2, because no body wanted to give them back what was theirs in Europe, so instead of giving back the Europeans got rid of them, they gave their Jewish problem to arabs. What about everything that Jews owned living in arab lands? will anybody give that back to us also?

So we don't belong Europe, we dont have claim to anything there, we dont belong in arab countries, we don't have a claim it is also not ours and we don't have a claim to Israel because arab tribes lived there with out a unified country, so where do we belong? what suggestions can you give? you all claim to be against human suffering accept when it concerns Jews.

maybe you should be a Jew to understand this, but you never will.
looking at everybody in this world, there is absolutely no body else I would want to be other then a JEW.

 

[Gabethewiking]

I had a muslim ask me how I would feel if this happened to me. Ironic thing is, I *was* unfairly bullied out of my home and with 2 kids in tow and even nothing but the clothes on our backs. Then, MY FAMILY took us in and gave us a home. Bitterness is only a part of Life, but when it becomes the driving force of your life ... conflict and unhappiness for all involved ensues.

Besides the Arab World expelled the Jewish from THEIR land ... what had been these Jews own personal home for almost 2 centuries and the Jewish absorbed them into the land that had become Israel. I am not arguing that decision of the Arabs. Israel has MANY of the Palestinians living amoung them in what is recognized as their land even now. Imagine what a field day you all REALLY could have then if they expelled them in the way that the Arabs did to their own People ...

Logic and fairness: that is my MAIN source.

Do you not see the problem with "us" and "them"?

We are all Humans (minus Homo Ignoramus), why do you even distinguish between "us" and "them", what is the criteria for "them"? That they are none-Jew? So it is all about religion, not actually anything that you can logically claim? They are Jew, therefore they own it etc? Just as, I am American, therefore I can invade and kill Muslims in Iraq.. Yes?


Maybe if you look at it like this, what if we REMOVE "them" and "us", and call ourself, All, Humanity, and we solve the problem by SHARING the world living TOGETHER in HARMONY?... To far fetched for you? Killing people is better, just like the Bible says?

 

[Gabethewiking]

Low? You think after all these years and the entire continent of Europe full of my ancestors blood but yet I am still here is a low standard to thank and believe in G-D that We survived? continue to survive and will survive!!!!!

How fast everybody forgets,lets remember why did the Jews started to move to Palestine after ww2, because no body wanted to give them back what was theirs in Europe, so instead of giving back the Europeans got rid of them, they gave their Jewish problem to arabs. What about everything that Jews owned living in arab lands? will anybody give that back to us also?

So we don't belong Europe, we dont have claim to anything there, we dont belong in arab countries, we don't have a claim it is also not ours and we don't have a claim to Israel because arab tribes lived there with out a unified country, so where do we belong? what suggestions can you give? you all claim to be against human suffering accept when it concerns Jews.

maybe you should be a Jew to understand this, but you never will.
looking at everybody in this world, there is absolutely no body else I would want to be other then a JEW.

I wonder if I am the only one here noticing your Nazi like opinions falling from the post you write. YOUR Blood, THEIR LAND, WE WILL SURVIVE AND CONTINUE TO SURVIVE, the JEWISH RACE.. SIEG HEIL....

Are you even reading what you are typing or is it automatic? You seem to think that Jews are a special unique RACE not part of Homo sapien sapien, you are a UNIQUE compared to other apes and YOU are the proof of your Gods existance. Sorry, but your post is twisted.

You do not find it worrying that a Jew would speak just as the National Socialist did 1930?

 

[arimoff]

I wonder if I am the only one here noticing your Nazi like opinions falling from the post you write. YOUR Blood, THEIR LAND, WE WILL SURVIVE AND CONTINUE TO SURVIVE, the JEWISH RACE.. SIEG HEIL....

Are you even reading what you are typing or is it automatic? You seem to think that Jews are a special unique RACE not part of Homo sapien sapien, you are a UNIQUE compared to other apes and YOU are the proof of your Gods existance. Sorry, but your post is twisted.

You do not find it worrying that a Jew would speak just as the National Socialist did 1930?

nazi? you comparing me to nazi? lol. Yes Europe is full of Jewish blood, people who were killed for just being Jewish.
What is so nazi in saying we will survive? yes we will survive all the idiots who constantly call for a Jewish destruction because we survived them before, what is so biased or hateful in it? Why do you call me a nazi?

No neither me nor anybody else made a claim that we Jews are better then all others, I never said we are different we are same human beings just like everybody else who want to live and enjoy life, it is the rest of the world who thinks of us different but yet we are still blamed.

You reply is the best example of it, go find what was hateful or biased about what I said. People claim that they are for a free world for a fare judgment but when it comes to Jews it is like we are not part of it, if you all what you claim to be a human beings dont make any difference when you speak out for everybody else and Jews.

Same goes for the rest of the world, there are people alive who witnessed Holocaust but yet we have characters who are calling for such events to repeat them selfs, so where is the free world? why don't anybody do anything about it? because no body cares when it comes to Jews full of hate, but when a Jew speaks out or defends him self, they call him a nazi.

 

[TheVeritableBuddhist]

Do you not see the problem with "us" and "them"?

We are all Humans (minus Homo Ignoramus), why do you even distinguish between "us" and "them", what is the criteria for "them"? That they are none-Jew? So it is all about religion, not actually anything that you can logically claim? They are Jew, therefore they own it etc? Just as, I am American, therefore I can invade and kill Muslims in Iraq.. Yes?


Maybe if you look at it like this, what if we REMOVE "them" and "us", and call ourself, All, Humanity, and we solve the problem by SHARING the world living TOGETHER in HARMONY?... To far fetched for you? Killing people is better, just like the Bible says?

I don't think people understand this concept. So very simple, and so very powerful, but misunderstood.

 

[dust1n]

I had a muslim ask me how I would feel if this happened to me. Ironic thing is, I *was* unfairly bullied out of my home and with 2 kids in tow and even nothing but the clothes on our backs. Then, MY FAMILY took us in and gave us a home. Bitterness is only a part of Life, but when it becomes the driving force of your life ... conflict and unhappiness for all involved ensues.

Besides the Arab World expelled the Jewish from THEIR land ... what had been these Jews own personal home for almost 2 centuries and the Jewish absorbed them into the land that had become Israel. I am not arguing that decision of the Arabs. Israel has MANY of the Palestinians living amoung them in what is recognized as their land even now. Imagine what a field day you all REALLY could have then if they expelled them in the way that the Arabs did to their own People ...

Logic and fairness: that is my MAIN source.

Keep ignoring my posts.

Sadly, just because you were unfairly bullied out your home, doesn't mean that makes it better that Arabs were bullied our of theirs, nor does it mean a bunch of Jews were bullied out of their home are fairer. The real issue here is not who is worthy of being bullied out of their homes, because no one should be bullied out of their home.

The Jews were bullied out of their home well over a thousand years ago, so no Jew that is actually alive now was bullied out of their home (except the ones in Europe), as opposed to Arabs who were bullied out of their home within the last 100 years. Arabs that are still alive now, were bullied out of their home, and they are still are being bullied out of the home, with an impenetrable wall that seperates them from it. So many Arab families were displaced in the construction of the wall.

I am not concerned about displacing Jews from Israel, that is ridiculous. I'm concerned about the expansion of Israel, displacing more Arabs from their homes.

Of course, this particular post of course had little to do with 'fairness'.

 

[dust1n]

I know my history and it speaks for it self, the mare fact that as was promised we would be exiled and return home after 2000 yrs is a prove it self.

Rather then waiting to see G-D to prove His existence, He proved His existence through us Jews, people without land surviving for 2000 years and returning home is the biggest prove that G-D exists.

Jew is the prove that G-D exists.

good luck to you all.

So, when responded to by .lava earlier, your G-d promised you more land than Israel, so how is THAT going to work?

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

it does not need providing any evidence it is crystal clear if you watch any movie or listen to the news you will notice the negative propaganda been portrayed against Arabs and Muslims in GENERAL .
In that essence many have been fooled due to what they perceive from the mass media

for further details do your search on who REALLY control's the media

Could it not be just an easy sell. We are fighting Muslim lands right now. The media is all about making money. That is just what sells right now. China also feels like the American Media is against them.( The movie "7 years in Tibet" makes the Chinese look like devils) I would say the Movie Avatar ( By the way many Hindu's see this term being used as an insult to our faith. Avatar is a hindu term for the desent of God) Is anti War in other parts of the world. Maybe pro muslim ? Leave there oil alone!

Many groups feel just like you do. There are commercials that make fun of Indian people (Hindu's)all over the TV right now. Our sports teams have mascots that makes fun of native Americans. Even the sacred objects of their faith. Jews are made fun of on TV. Watch the cartoon South Park.It is full of anti Jew comments like that Jews have no soul and are going to Hell. It is just the way it is today.

 

[McBell]

Low?

No.
EXTREMELY low.

You think after all these years and the entire continent of Europe full of my ancestors blood but yet I am still here is a low standard to thank and believe in G-D that We survived?

Yes.

continue to survive and will survive!!!!!

If you would rather give all the credit to God, you go right ahead.

How fast everybody forgets,lets remember why did the Jews started to move to Palestine after ww2, because no body wanted to give them back what was theirs in Europe, so instead of giving back the Europeans got rid of them, they gave their Jewish problem to arabs. What about everything that Jews owned living in arab lands? will anybody give that back to us also?

So we don't belong Europe, we dont have claim to anything there, we dont belong in arab countries, we don't have a claim it is also not ours and we don't have a claim to Israel because arab tribes lived there with out a unified country, so where do we belong? what suggestions can you give? you all claim to be against human suffering accept when it concerns Jews.

Wow.
Way to take the self appointed martyr route.

maybe you should be a Jew to understand this, but you never will.

If you area prime example of "being a Jew" I am most grateful that I am not.

looking at everybody in this world, there is absolutely no body else I would want to be other then a JEW.

No doubt in my mind.
You seem to relish in the idea that you can play the martyr.

 

[gnomon]

Is this thread still about film?

Do I get to blame the ZIONISTS for American Pie 1 through x and every stupid uncut DVD release of stupid movies?

Is their grip Kung Fu or more Wet Noodle?

 

[dust1n]

If you would rather give all the credit to God, you go right ahead.

Personally, it would make more sense to me, that God nothing had to do with Jews surviving the aristocracies and genocides, instead, it was the actual Jews who survided, fought against, and succeeded despite the history that really deserve all the credit, not God.

I don't understand why you want to give credit for what your 'ancestors' did, to God, when it's obviously what your 'ancestors' did had less to do with God, and more to due with them.

 

[McBell]

Personally, it would make more sense to me, that God nothing had to do with Jews surviving the aristocracies and genocides, instead, it was the actual Jews who survided, fought against, and succeeded despite the history that really deserve all the credit, not God.

I don't understand why you want to give credit for what your 'ancestors' did, to God, when it's obviously what your 'ancestors' did had less to do with God, and more to due with them.

I am not the one giving the credit to God.
That would be arimoff.

 

[dust1n]

Is this thread still about film?

Not really, but there isn't any reason we can't go back to that.

Do I get to blame the ZIONISTS for American Pie 1 through x and every stupid uncut DVD release of stupid movies?

Is their grip Kung Fu or more Wet Noodle?

No, you can just blame American business men who are willing to sell out what the true purpose of education and college is suppose to be about, and replace it with extreme alcoholism and sex, while added to stereotypes of 'jock', 'nerd', 'women', and 'professor'.

 

[dust1n]

I am not the one giving the credit to God.
That would be arimoff.

Well, I was adding to what you were saying, not refuting what you were saying.