ZIONIST Grip on American Films

[Caladan]

But I need to sidle with you Aymen on this issue, I pointed out some basic things like Jews do bad things just as all others and they directly act like I am anti-semitic

Jews do bad things like all other groups. no one would deny this simple reality. however, you were challenged to provide Jewish actions which would justify their persecution in European history. as this was what was discussed and what you addressed, your answer to that was an American pedophile of Jewish descent.

and just ignore my actual responses giving me drivel.

Your posts have been analyzed and answered to point by point, frankly its quite shameful that you consider the answers and responses you were prodivded with as drivel, especially since you have not made significant efforts to answer the points and sources you were presented with.

 

[Caladan]

lets start of with the war that took place last year against GAZA how do u justify that??

I see this aint going to happen. perhaps im speaking Klingon? let me try again. the question that was asked was which Jewish actions would justify their persecution in European history?
Im joyous that you feel that the Israeli-Palestinian issue is a reason to persecute Jews in Europe. now what do you think that in EUROPEAN HISTORY have the Jews done to justify events such as their persectuion in the Spanish Inquisition, or during the black death?

 

[Gabethewiking]

Yeah, it seems that Gabethewiking bailed.

Sad to, since he seemed to be on such a good roll...
to bad he could not support his claims.

Fine Mestemia, if that is what you want, lets go.
According to the New Testament Jesus, the son of God, known as Jesus Christ, the Jewish Messiah, was put on execution because of aggressive furtherance of the Jewish Community (people).

The Jewish people thus being responsible for the Death of Jesus Christ which directly links to the attacks towards the Jewish people in Europe is evidence enough to end the demand (and claim of the opposite) by Caladan and Mestermia. That the Old and New Testament can not be verified as factual events are irrelevant as they where seen by the people following it as true and thus any claim that the religious dogmas followed by either groups are false is immaterial.

Your response to this?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But I need to sidle with you Aymen on this issue, I pointed out some basic things like Jews do bad things just as all others and they directly act like I am anti-semitic and just ignore my actual responses giving me drivel. Is this how you get treated all the time? With all due respect, if someone does not agree (I do not agree with Aymen for example) that does not means you pretend they are wrong ignoring the facts of what is said.

You're talking about differential treatment of Jews compared to the rest of society. To justify this, you would have to show how Jews are different from the rest of society. Just pointing out that there are bad Jews just like there are bad members of other groups doesn't do anything to justify why Jews should receive worse treatment than other groups. If anything, it would justify equal treatment.

 

[Caladan]

Fine Mestemia, if that is what you want, lets go.
According to the New Testament Jesus, the son of God, known as Jesus Christ, the Jewish Messiah, was put on execution because of aggressive furtherance of the Jewish Community (people).

The Jewish people thus being responsible for the Death of Jesus Christ which directly links to the attacks towards the Jewish people in Europe is evidence enough to end the demand (and claim of the opposite) by Caladan and Mestermia. That the Old and New Testament can not be verified as factual events are irrelevant as they where seen by the people following it as true and thus any claim that the religious dogmas followed by either groups are false is immaterial.

Your response to this?

I have listed the Jews as Christ-Killers as a big factor for the persecution of Jews in European history. now lets go back to the question of what have the Jews in Europe ACTUALLY done to JUSTIFY persecution? instead of focusing on how medieval religious dogma justifies and promotes persecution.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Fine Mestemia, if that is what you want, lets go.
According to the New Testament Jesus, the son of God, known as Jesus Christ, the Jewish Messiah, was put on execution because of aggressive furtherance of the Jewish Community (people).

The Jewish people thus being responsible for the Death of Jesus Christ which directly links to the attacks towards the Jewish people in Europe is evidence enough to end the demand (and claim of the opposite) by Caladan and Mestermia. That the Old and New Testament can not be verified as factual events are irrelevant as they where seen by the people following it as true and thus any claim that the religious dogmas followed by either groups are false is immaterial.

Your response to this?

Even if the Bible were necessarily true, how do the actions of the Sanhedrin in 1st Century Judea create any sort of responsibility for European Jews in later times?

The American people, acting in the name of their new country, did some pretty nasty things to my ancestors. What sort of personal responsibility does this create for you toward me?

 

[dust1n]

I have listed the Jews as Christ-Killers as a big factor for the persecution of Jews in European history. now lets go back to the question of what have the Jews in Europe ACTUALLY done to JUSTIFY persecution? instead of focusing on how medieval religious dogma justifies and promotes persecution.

I haven't been in here in awhile, but I just wanted to kinda point this out in the open. It is very obvious to me that Christians persecute anyone who isn't Christian. European Jews were no exception to this, and probably got the worst side of it for many centuries. Though, the majority of my argument earlier in this thread is that the Christian persecution does not justify Jewish persecution of Arabs, especially since Christian's are the one who allotted the terroritory in the firsts place. I find it hard to believe that the Christian sect, after centuries of persecuting Jews, created Israel for the good of the Jews, which no actual self interest advocated in the move. Christian nations use Israel as a foot hold in the Middle East.

 

[McBell]

Fine Mestemia, if that is what you want, lets go.

Bring it on!!

According to the New Testament...

:biglaugh:

Jesus, the son of God, known as Jesus Christ, the Jewish Messiah, was put on execution because of aggressive furtherance of the Jewish Community (people).

The Jewish people thus being responsible for the Death of Jesus Christ which directly links to the attacks towards the Jewish people in Europe is evidence enough to end the demand (and claim of the opposite) by Caladan and Mestermia. That the Old and New Testament can not be verified as factual events are irrelevant as they where seen by the people following it as true and thus any claim that the religious dogmas followed by either groups are false is immaterial.

Your response to this?

I thank you for the laugh.

Hopefully you are not trying to foist the mythology of the Bible as your "proof".
BUt it was good for a laugh.

Now back to reality.....
So, what Jewish group(s) do you present to support your claim?

 

[Aquitaine]

in Germany the Aryan myth vs the preceived Jewish liberalism gained momentum, and Jews were accused of economical calamities and as alien to the Aryan civilization. despite the fact that 150,000 Jews served in the German armed forces during the first world war with thousands of them being decorated with medals of honor, many blamed the Jews (and the socialists) for Germany's defeat. the Nazi Party made it clear that Jews can never be part of the Volk, and with the economic woes and humiliating terms of losing the war, many groups were formed that let out these frustrations through public violence, later these men became instrumental in the genocide against Jews.

Y'see, it's stuff like this which makes me angry at the Treaty of Versailles, which made Germany the blame of WW1, and the war reparations!

After WW1, Germany's currency hyper-inflated to the point where you had million-mark notes, and to make things worse, they had to pay back ridiculous and unfair amounts of money to the victors, then French and Belgian troops occupied the Ruhr etc.

Perhaps (maybe, I dunno) if the victors of WW1 had been more realistic and sympathetic in our treatment of Germany, then maybe the people would not have radicalized and Hitler wouldn't have rose to power. Again, I'm not a historian but the more I look at it, the more avoidable a lot of the problems seemed to be. Hell even WW1 should never have happened - but anyways, this is derailing a little so I'll stop.

But yeah, thanks for answering my question, Caladan.

 

[dust1n]

Y'see, it's stuff like this which makes me angry at the Treaty of Versailles, which made Germany the blame of WW1, and the war reparations!

After WW1, Germany's currency hyper-inflated to the point where you had million-mark notes, and to make things worse, they had to pay back ridiculous and unfair amounts of money to the victors, then French and Belgian troops occupied the Ruhr etc.

Perhaps (maybe, I dunno) if the victors of WW1 had been more realistic and sympathetic in our treatment of Germany, then maybe the people would not have radicalized and Hitler wouldn't have rose to power. Again, I'm not a historian but the more I look at it, the more avoidable a lot of the problems seemed to be. Hell even WW1 should never have happened - but anyways, this is derailing a little so I'll stop.

But yeah, thanks for answering my question, Caladan.

Goes to show that whoever wins the war, gets to right the history book.

As far as Hitler? If we had free education, Hitler would have been in art school, painting castles and ****, not attempting to create the most powerful country through modern warfar, or killing Jews.

 

[kai]

Jews were used as scapegoats for superstitious Europeans for any calamity, or as a convenient scapegoat by "Christian" (and i use the term lightly) leaders to sweep their own failings under the carpet. the short answer is Jews didnt actually do anything to deserve persecution in European history.

 

[dust1n]

Jews were used as scapegoats for superstitious Europeans for any calamity, or as a convenient scapegoat by "Christian" and i use the term lightly leaders to sweep their own failings under the carpet. the short answer is Jews didnt actually do anything to justify

Original 'terror'ists?

 

[kai]

Original 'terror'ists?

What? who? are you meaning the Sicarii ? you could argue they were Terrorists you could even argue that Moses was a Terrorist, but what the heck do those argument have to do with Jewish persecution in Europe? and you know what this subject would make a good thread. At least we could try and dispel Myth from Fact.

 

[dust1n]

What? who? are you meaning the Sicarii ? you could argue they were Terrorists you could even argue that Moses was a Terrorist, but what the heck do those argument have to do with Jewish persecution in Europe? and you know what this subject would make a good thread. At least we could try and dispel Myth from Fact.

No, no. 'TERROR'ists.. get it?

 

[kai]

No, no. 'TERROR'ists.. get it?

yes, but no!

 

[dust1n]

yes, but no!

Like in the sense that people are called 'Terror'ists, not because they have actually carried out an act of terrorism, but because they are a scapegoat to deteoriating domestic policy.

 

[kai]

Like in the sense that people are called 'Terror'ists, not because they have actually carried out an act of terrorism, but because they are a scapegoat to deteoriating domestic policy.

I get what you are trying to imply but in this case, its not comparable.

 

[dust1n]

I get what you are trying to imply but in this case, its not comparable.

It is vaguely comparable! Regardless, all I'm trying to say is that society always has a scapegoat. And when I say society, I mean the states. And then people do bad things to them.

 

[kai]

It is vaguely comparable! Regardless, all I'm trying to say is that society always has a scapegoat. And when I say society, I mean the states. And then people do bad things to them.

In my opinion you would have to look long and hard to even try and find something comparable to the treatment of Jews in Europe.

 

[dust1n]

In my opinion you would have to look long and hard to even try and find something comparable to the treatment of Jews in Europe.

American 'savages'? Blacks?