Atheists: does God exist?

[F1fan]

Can you with science explain how we observe that we exist as exist?

Ironic request given that we have to exist to use science. And we humans make observations, science is a method and has no senses.

If you are stuck in the mud struggling with existential questions you will make no progress. It is apparent that making progress in knowledge is itself confirmation that we exist. There's an irony in the uncertain loop questioning whether we exist, because who is it stuck in the thought loop?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Ironic request given that we have to exist to use science. And we humans make observations, science is a method and has no senses.

If you are stuck in the mud struggling with existential questions you will make no progress. It is apparent that making progress in knowledge is itself confirmation that we exist. There's an irony in the uncertain loop questioning whether we exist, because who is it stuck in the thought loop?

Well, I have never observed the property of existing. I have observed other properties, but not existence. The word is from philosophy and not science.

 

[McBell]

Well, I have never observed the property of existing. I have observed other properties, but not existence. The word is from philosophy and not science.

What would that look like, the property of existing?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What would that look like, the property of existing?

It wouldn't look like anything because it is an idea from philosophy of being qua being as such and nothing else and that was given a name, existence. But there is no evidence for it just like with the concept of God.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

We humans do exist. Can you provide observations that indicate that any of the many gods exist?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "

Reply

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "

Reply

No, that is bad philosophy. You don't exist and neither do I. You have to learn to check when you do in effect false philosophy.

 

[F1fan]

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "

Reply

Of course I exist. And you asking me questions reveals that you acknowledge I exist.

Why is this a question when you asking me indicates the answer?

Is it to deflect from the awareness that Gods aren’t known to exist?

 

[F1fan]

It wouldn't look like anything because it is an idea from philosophy of being qua being as such and nothing else and that was given a name, existence. But there is no evidence for it just like with the concept of God.

If you don’t exist then what is writing and submitting your posts?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If you don’t exist then what is writing and submitting your posts?

Well, check the history of the word and how it is bad philosophy and not a fact.
You are so good at how the universe works, so I will leave it to you to find the explanation how existence is bad philosophy.

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheists: does God exist?​

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "

Of course I exist. And you asking me questions reveals that you acknowledge I exist.

Why is this a question when you asking me indicates the answer?

Is it to deflect from the awareness that Gods aren’t known to exist?

" asking me questions "
One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheists: does God exist?​

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "

Of course I exist. And you asking me questions reveals that you acknowledge I exist.

Why is this a question when you asking me indicates the answer?

Is it to deflect from the awareness that Gods aren’t known to exist?

" asking me questions "
One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??
Founders of all great religions were in communication/Converse of G-d (and also many of their followers), so why reject them and existence of G-d, please, right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheists: does God exist?​

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "

Of course I exist. And you asking me questions reveals that you acknowledge I exist.

Why is this a question when you asking me indicates the answer?

Is it to deflect from the awareness that Gods aren’t known to exist?

" asking me questions "

One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??
Founders of all great religions were in communication/Converse of G-d (and also many of their followers), so why reject them and existence of G-d, please, right?

Regards

 

[McBell]

One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??

yes.
At least it can be.

Founders of all great religions were in communication/Converse of G-d (and also many of their followers), so why reject them and existence of G-d, please, right?

That is their claim, yes.

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheists: does God exist?​

paarsurrey said:
One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??
of all great religions were in communication/Converse of G-d (and also many of their followers), so why reject them and existence of G-d, please, right?

yes.
At least it can be.

That is their claim, yes.

And one's claim is no different , I might have not communicated with one at all, instead of one I might have communicated with some robot or AI, please, right?
So, no certainty of one's existence in that case, right, please?

Regards

 

[F1fan]

Atheists: does God exist?​

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "

" asking me questions "
One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??
Founders of all great religions were in communication/Converse of G-d (and also many of their followers), so why reject them and existence of G-d, please, right?

Regards

Humans actually exist so when Jim claims he talked to another human it is plausible. When Jim claims he talked to God it’s a questionable claim since Gods aren’t known to exist.

 

[McBell]

And one's claim is no different , I might have not communicated with one at all, instead of one I might have communicated with some robot or AI, please, right?​

So, no certainty of one's existence in that case, right, please?

Regards

correct.
However, you are not the only one communicating with them.
we are all here not only communicating with them but all others here are witness to the communication with them.

So it is not merely you communicating with them with no one else privy to the communication.

 

[McBell]

Humans actually exist so when Jim claims he talked to another human it is plausible. When Jim claims he talked to God it’s a questionable claim since Gods aren’t known to exist.

I personally find it rather convenient that all through history God can not communicate with humans unless it is with one person who is completely alone with no others around privy to the alleged communication with God.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said:

And one's claim is no different , I might have not communicated with one at all, instead of one I might have communicated with some robot or AI, please, right?​

So, no certainty of one's existence in that case, right, please?

Regards

correct.
However, you are not the only one communicating with them.
we are all here not only communicating with them but all others here are witness to the communication with them.

So it is not merely you communicating with them with no one else privy to the communication.

So our @McBell , (an Atheist) doesn't exist, right, please?

Regards

 

[McBell]

So our @McBell , (an Atheist) doesn't exist, right, please?

no idea how you got the exact opposite from what was said,

 

[rstrats]

Do you?

Yes.