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Atheists: does God exist?

F1fan

Veteran Member
Can you with science explain how we observe that we exist as exist?
Ironic request given that we have to exist to use science. And we humans make observations, science is a method and has no senses.

If you are stuck in the mud struggling with existential questions you will make no progress. It is apparent that making progress in knowledge is itself confirmation that we exist. There's an irony in the uncertain loop questioning whether we exist, because who is it stuck in the thought loop?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Ironic request given that we have to exist to use science. And we humans make observations, science is a method and has no senses.

If you are stuck in the mud struggling with existential questions you will make no progress. It is apparent that making progress in knowledge is itself confirmation that we exist. There's an irony in the uncertain loop questioning whether we exist, because who is it stuck in the thought loop?

Well, I have never observed the property of existing. I have observed other properties, but not existence. The word is from philosophy and not science.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
What would that look like, the property of existing?

It wouldn't look like anything because it is an idea from philosophy of being qua being as such and nothing else and that was given a name, existence. But there is no evidence for it just like with the concept of God.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "

Reply
Of course I exist. And you asking me questions reveals that you acknowledge I exist.

Why is this a question when you asking me indicates the answer?

Is it to deflect from the awareness that Gods aren’t known to exist?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
It wouldn't look like anything because it is an idea from philosophy of being qua being as such and nothing else and that was given a name, existence. But there is no evidence for it just like with the concept of God.
If you don’t exist then what is writing and submitting your posts?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
If you don’t exist then what is writing and submitting your posts?

Well, check the history of the word and how it is bad philosophy and not a fact.
You are so good at how the universe works, so I will leave it to you to find the explanation how existence is bad philosophy.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member

Atheists: does God exist?

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "
Of course I exist. And you asking me questions reveals that you acknowledge I exist.

Why is this a question when you asking me indicates the answer?

Is it to deflect from the awareness that Gods aren’t known to exist?
" asking me questions "
One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member

Atheists: does God exist?​

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "
Of course I exist. And you asking me questions reveals that you acknowledge I exist.

Why is this a question when you asking me indicates the answer?

Is it to deflect from the awareness that Gods aren’t known to exist?
" asking me questions "
One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??
Founders of all great religions were in communication/Converse of G-d (and also many of their followers), so why reject them and existence of G-d, please, right?

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member

Atheists: does God exist?​

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "
Of course I exist. And you asking me questions reveals that you acknowledge I exist.

Why is this a question when you asking me indicates the answer?

Is it to deflect from the awareness that Gods aren’t known to exist?
" asking me questions "

One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??
Founders of all great religions were in communication/Converse of G-d (and also many of their followers), so why reject them and existence of G-d, please, right?

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member

Atheists: does God exist?

paarsurrey said:
One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??
of all great religions were in communication/Converse of G-d (and also many of their followers), so why reject them and existence of G-d, please, right?
yes.
At least it can be.

That is their claim, yes.
And one's claim is no different , I might have not communicated with one at all, instead of one I might have communicated with some robot or AI, please, right?
So, no certainty of one's existence in that case, right, please?

Regards
 

F1fan

Veteran Member

Atheists: does God exist?​

paarsurrey said:
May I ask one; Do you exist, please, right?

One did not reply to the question, "Do you exist? "

" asking me questions "
One means communication/Converse between two persons is acknowledgement/proof of the persons existence, right, please??
Founders of all great religions were in communication/Converse of G-d (and also many of their followers), so why reject them and existence of G-d, please, right?

Regards
Humans actually exist so when Jim claims he talked to another human it is plausible. When Jim claims he talked to God it’s a questionable claim since Gods aren’t known to exist.
 
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McBell

Unbound

And one's claim is no different , I might have not communicated with one at all, instead of one I might have communicated with some robot or AI, please, right?​

So, no certainty of one's existence in that case, right, please?

Regards
correct.
However, you are not the only one communicating with them.
we are all here not only communicating with them but all others here are witness to the communication with them.

So it is not merely you communicating with them with no one else privy to the communication.
 

McBell

Unbound
Humans actually exist so when Jim claims he talked to another human it is plausible. When Jim claims he talked to God it’s a questionable claim since Gods aren’t known to exist.
I personally find it rather convenient that all through history God can not communicate with humans unless it is with one person who is completely alone with no others around privy to the alleged communication with God.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:

And one's claim is no different , I might have not communicated with one at all, instead of one I might have communicated with some robot or AI, please, right?

So, no certainty of one's existence in that case, right, please?

Regards
correct.
However, you are not the only one communicating with them.
we are all here not only communicating with them but all others here are witness to the communication with them.

So it is not merely you communicating with them with no one else privy to the communication.
So our @McBell , (an Atheist) doesn't exist, right, please?

Regards
 
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