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  1. It Aint Necessarily So

    30,000 feet of water?????

    Yes, but we have insufficient evidence to believe that such a god exists. If our analysis of the myth is that this could have happened by magic, then there is nothing to discuss. Since we don't see magic in the universe, we shouldn't entertain such a suggestion seriously. Agreed again, but as...
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    What if we accepted each others Religion?

    I suppose you'd have to, but that's doing it backwards in my opinion. You're essentially agreeing to accept whatever moral principle is attributed to or commanded by the deity, and define morality by whatever you find there. It's called divine command moral theory: "Divine command theory is the...
  3. It Aint Necessarily So

    Phil Lesh RIP

    Deadhead here. He will be missed. Only Bobby, Billy, and Mickey remain. If you've been a fan, you know how much the crowd enjoyed chanting "Let Phil sing." He was a terrible singer, but beloved by the fans. My wife and I formed a Grateful Dead cover band, but didn't do any Phil songs. Still...
  4. It Aint Necessarily So

    30,000 feet of water?????

    So now the story has to be true to contain a message? Your words: "No I don't think the ancient authors were familiar with scientific cosmology. Nevertheless a metaphor is a metaphor and as humans find out more about science and cosmology then that is how we recognise the metaphors." So then...
  5. It Aint Necessarily So

    Trump Voter Assaults Elderly Poll Worker in Texas

    To use a Trumpian word of disapproval, they're MAGA vermin, meaning that they're criminal and/or infected, they form violent "gangs," and they will eat your pets if you let one get close enough. Bad people. Very bad people. Turn the military on them.
  6. It Aint Necessarily So

    What if we accepted each others Religion?

    You're another one who hasn't noticed that religions are divisive and don't bring peace. How many more millennia do you need to see them failing at that to recognize that if there are answers, they don't come from the religions? No, it's not. If there is an afterlife, you cannot do not know...
  7. It Aint Necessarily So

    30,000 feet of water?????

    More of your doomsday exaggeration: "we're out of our minds." So what if a critical thinker provisionally grants that something historians have wrong might be correct but it wasn't? What could be less impactful? Suppose Caesar or Jesus or Socrates never actually lived. It's irrelevant if one...
  8. It Aint Necessarily So

    What if we accepted each others Religion?

    We have that. It's summarized in the affirmations of humanism. Here's your answer, and it comes from outside of religion. This is a recipe for peace, tolerance, and improvement of the human condition. Your scriptures don't rise to this. Nobody's do. Can you find fault with this other than that...
  9. It Aint Necessarily So

    30,000 feet of water?????

    The key aspect of that story for me is that the flood they described submerged all land. no dry land was visible. I don't think they experienced that kind of flood. We see floods in life and on the news, and there is always visible land, but not with the biblical flood. I told you my hypothesis...
  10. It Aint Necessarily So

    Is Trump / MAGA / the US Fascist?

    Look at who you're talking to. They're people who embrace Trump's fascism. It's not a flaw to them. It's what they like about him. You don't see any disavowing him - just the word fascist, which is an acknowledgement that they know that fascism is detestable and despicable to many. They...
  11. It Aint Necessarily So

    Trump has a degree in economics, but does he have a Nobel Prize?

    Most of that will end up with the people who have successfully sued him and the lawyers handling his multiple indictments. Trump is a criminal. He's now a convicted felon. The money he made on Apprentice was also fraudulently earned. Even his day allegedly working at a closed McDonalds was a...
  12. It Aint Necessarily So

    Convince me to vote (seriously!)

    The Republicans are not content with that. From "Anti-Abortion Activists Want to Have It Both Ways - You can’t “return abortion to the states” and then get upset when states protect abortion rights." Anti-Abortion Activists Want to Have It Both Ways: "Since Roe was overturned, abortion rates...
  13. It Aint Necessarily So

    UK electorate's views on US Election.

    Not to worry. A few good people might die or be hurt as was the case with J6, but also like J6, some will be neutralized while revolting like Ashli Babbitt, and some will go to prison to be with Trump himself. The right doesn't make sense to the left in America, either.
  14. It Aint Necessarily So

    Convince me to vote (seriously!)

    My main issue is that the Constitution be preserved and Trump not be allowed to become a dictator. Good will for the Americans who knew better than vote for Trump is reason enough, but there are a few corollaries to this that I also consider important: I don't want my adopted country invaded...
  15. It Aint Necessarily So

    No association game

    Newspaper taxis appear on the shore Waiting to take you away How about some humor: "Sure, Brain, but how are we going to find chaps our size? "I think so, Brain, but this time you put the trousers on the chimp. "I think so, Brain, but where will we find a duck and a hose at this hour? "Well...
  16. It Aint Necessarily So

    Rediscoveries of the Milky Way

    I don't see the point of posting a link about such esoteric topics of interest to almost nobody on RF. I looked at your list of topics, listened to the first minute, and realized that this was going to be tedious with little value in hearing it. Others think you have some stealth, unstated...
  17. It Aint Necessarily So

    30,000 feet of water?????

    So no rebuttal then - just dismissal with the wave of a hand? Concession accepted. Condemn? Did you mean reject? Pugnacious bias? Did you feel personally attacked? Did you think I was fighting rather than debating? Dan also sees you a vexed by my words. Isn't it you that is being pugnacious...
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    Trump using hurricane Helene devastation for political aims, lies about the administration

    There's often a price to pay for that, and I think that's appropriate. Unfortunately, MAGAs won't be the only ones paying it. There's some of that price that such people must pay. Unfortunately, many if not most of Trumps lies hurt people who know better that to listen to or trust him, like the...
  19. It Aint Necessarily So

    30,000 feet of water?????

    Myth isn't metaphor or allegory. The three are specific literary forms with only the latter two using symbolism, where symbolism means one thing standing for another. She was the apple of his eye is metaphor, where the apple is a desirable and valuable object standing for "she." Allegories are...
  20. It Aint Necessarily So

    Why Do You Reject Jesus?

    I don't need reasons to reject claims. I need reasons to accept them, and I have no reason to believe that claim. Nature is evidence that nature exists, not that it had a supernatural intelligent designer. The same can be said about the Bible, which also is just evidence that the Bible exists...
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