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  1. Sundance

    Baha'i and Messengers

    That’s the thing, though. In the story, Adam and Eve were placed in a garden with lots of other trees, not just the one. So, if your analogy had correctly reflected the situation, the mother should’ve made all sorts of foods, with the cookies in the middle, saying “don’t eat these, or you’ll...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    Adam and Eve were culpable insofar as they were explicitly told what not to do, and what would happen if they chose to go against that. That’s not the fault of God. God is not some kind of tyrant or dictator who bosses us human beings around. See my civil law analogy to answer your question...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    Mmmm…it doesn’t follow logically, CG. If God created human beings with the capacity to know right from wrong, and He tells them – time and time again – “do what’s right, avoid what’s wrong”, I’m not too sure how a person can make this equation stick [benevolent God + conscience + moral law +...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

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    Baha'i and Messengers

    You seem to be obfuscating the point through this semantics game. You are, again, obfuscating. You’re doing nothing but deliberately confusing what’s plain and apparent. I’ll have to ask you to refrain from this. My point is can the same thing have contradictory characteristics? The (easily...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    He states it, yes. ‘Abdu’l-Bahá establishes that there are four tools we can use to figure out what we can know about God. Again, though, He cautions us to balance the four. I’m curious as to what drew you to ancient Canaanite religion. Indeed. I understand why that is. The sort of Figure...
  7. Sundance

    Thich Nhat Hanh has died at age 95

    May he rest in peace.
  8. Sundance

    Baha'i and Messengers

    Perhaps I didn’t understand the exact question being asked. My apologies. How do we establish what we can know as far as our religion is concerned? Well, there are four primary ways that we can do this. To speak briefly: 1. Sense Perception 2. Reason 3. Religious Tradition 4. Inspiration...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    Well, your first few statements are absolutely true, CG. In general, because our Faith is an Abrahamic one, we do believe in the individuals mentioned. When you talk about the idea that Bahá’ís have of the Manifestations of the Names and Attributes of God, it’s important to understand from where...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    No we don’t necessarily. In point of fact, this kind of question — as to what sense can be made of the fact that all of the different Teachers who have come spoke differently about themselves, with Jesus Christ and Lord Krishna (for instance) saying “I am God.”, Muhammad and Moses proclaiming...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    I suppose that I’m a bit of an outlier as a Bahá’í, then. At least, nowadays. I’ve become much more mellow in my temperament and I’ve been focused on trying to learn about all different kinds of perspectives on spiritual matters. Maybe not the validity of the Faith Itself, but of how they...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    Re the ontological and epistemological aspects of the question, you’re absolutely right. So, let’s tackle it. Bahá’í epistemology first. I’ve addressed this before. We only “know” about God from our own limited understandings. Even then, our conceptions will be the products of either what each...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    1. As you shouldn’t. However, you should be cautious not to superimpose what one thing says onto something else that says differently. 2. Therein lies the question. That word. Evidence. I ask again in reply: what sort of evidence are you looking for in assessing the validity of a metaphysical...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    “Sometimes true” is an entirely different matter from “absolutely true”, yeah? You judge the validity of God’s existence or nonexistence because of the various misdoings of people, making an absolute claim due to “sometimes” occurrences. You are correct in saying that no person can ascertain...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    That first statement is not always true. Plus, merely because individuals have had their various understandings and misunderstandings of religious or philosophical claims doesn’t at all reflect on God Himself. In other words, the use or misuse of religion ought not to be a factor in truth or...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    I find it confusing that there’s an (almost rabid) insistence on testing the validity of what are essentially metaphysical or conceptual claims using empirical means.
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    Go figure! :D And awwwwww you both, alongside @TransmutingSoul, @Dawnofhope, @loverofhumanity, and @arthra have filled me with much enthusiasm over the few short years that I’ve been a Bahá’í. Even though I struggle, I’ll just say thank you from my heart and soul, and may my life be a sacrifice...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    The first statement may be true, but the second one, I’m not sold on too much. Everything written is gonna reflect specific cultures, viewpoints, time periods, and all that jazz, but that doesn’t at all mean that there aren’t valuable insights into reality and human nature, or other topics that...
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    Indeed, they don’t.
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    Baha'i and Messengers

    I see, but as far as snake-handling is concerned, there’s a certain reason why even the vast majority of Christians do not practice it. When I said really study, I don’t mean some of sort heavy-handed diving into the minutiae of Bahá’í theology. I mean exactly you refer to, read the relevant...
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