A Universe from Nothing?

[Ben Dhyan]

No surprise here.
Instead of substantiating your bold empty claim, you attempt to divert attention away from your bold empty claim.

Huh! Over 42,000 posts without growing in understanding, now that is extraordinary, just bold claims devoid of depth...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

If metaphysics was accurate, like maths, of falsifiable like science then it will be accepted as maths or science, as it is, its just guesswork, fortune falling.

Its definition gives it as being abstract and having no basis in reality.

So you believe abstract fantasy will serve humanity better than say medical science..

Do you think the placebo effect is fantasy or real?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What? Something from nothing? Perhaps you need to run their past ben d

Actually it is extraordinary how similar the big bang theory is to god created the universe from nothing....particularly now that the paper your posted about the 'universe from nothing' is based on some false vacuum energy preexisting the true vacuum and subsequent creation of the universe. Substitute the false vacuum energy for God and it turns out the same......god may be the false vacuum energy..

But where did the false vacuum energy/god come from?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You don't like, then don't do it

Anyway, whatever turns you on.

My money is on you to break the cordiality..

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I have no idea.
Thus the reason I make no such claim.

So you made a bold empty claim and then when called on it, you claim that you never make bold empty claims...

 

[godnotgod]

I have no idea.
Thus the reason I make no such claim.

But if intelligence is fundamental to the Universe, that means it is fundamental to us IOW, it is self-evident.

 

[godnotgod]

Nope.
Just the bold empty claims are bold empty claims.

Of course, all one has to do is support their bold empty claim and show it is not a bold empty claim.
When are YOU going to start?

Calling a claim 'bold and empty' is a bold empty claim.

A finger pointing to the moon is not a claim, but a prompt for you to pay attention without preconception.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, along with not only entangled photons, but entangled brains displaying signal-less communication, and what QM says about the 'material' world; that it is not material, but a 'superposition of possibilities', something Christine has yet to address, if she even dare.

I'd be willing to bet that no one on this thread can even begin to approach the notion of superposition in any standard logical manner.

Shall we add 'particles' as standing waves yet?

Do not blame them for they know no what they do, they are forced to believe matter is the fundamental substance in nature because they will not pass their exams unless they close their mind to other possibilities.

 

[McBell]

Huh! Over 42,000 posts without growing in understanding, now that is extraordinary, just bold claims devoid of depth...

When are you going to start substantiating your claims?

I shant be holding my breath

 

[McBell]

So you made a bold empty claim and then when called on it, you claim that you never make bold empty claims...

What claim do you claim I made?

You will have to present the post the number as you have already had your *** handed to you for bold faced lies.

 

[McBell]

But if intelligence is fundamental to the Universe, that means it is fundamental to us IOW, it is self-evident.

Now all you need to do is show that intelligence is fundamental....

 

[McBell]

Calling a claim 'bold and empty' is a bold empty claim.

A finger pointing to the moon is not a claim, but a prompt for you to pay attention without preconception.

what a big steaming pile of bull ****.

Until you can present something that is more than wishful thinking or bad word games....

Perhaps you will be the first in over a century?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

When are you going to start substantiating your claims?

I shant be holding my breath

Wave function collapse - Wikipedia

 

[gnostic]

If metaphysics was accurate, like maths, of falsifiable like science then it will be accepted as maths or science, as it is, its just guesswork, fortune falling.

Its definition gives it as being abstract and having no basis in reality.

So you believe abstract fantasy will serve humanity better than say medical science..

Yes.

Metaphysics is just a philosophy, and it is very broad and conflicting one at that.

Broad, because it can cover both some things that are real, but others that are clearly supernatural...and that what make metaphysics so conflicting and messy.

But yes, it tends to be very abstract, which make it even more LESS USEFUL than theoretical science.

At least with something like String Theory, or Multiverse, theoretical physicists can use mathematical statements (like models or equations, hence proofs) to prove their explanations. Theoretical physics tends to be untestable - all proofs, but no evidences - but so was General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics started out that way, until other scientists found mean to detect or test them.

And sometimes it required the technology to catch up with explanations and predictions. For instance, Alpher and Herman, working under Gamow, predicted the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation in 1948, but it wasn't until 1964, discovered by Penzias and Wilson, which verified the Big Bang model and debunked Steady State model. More recently the WMAP and Planck space probe gave us better detailed images of CMBR.

So theoretical science can become experimental science, given time and technology.

Metaphysics is overrated.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What claim do you claim I made?

You will have to present the post the number as you have already had your *** handed to you for bold faced lies.

You challenged osgart to post something to support his bold empty claim...."Of course, all one has to do is support their bold empty claim and show it is not a bold empty claim. When are YOU going to start?" in post #4757

He responded by asking you.."how would you scientifically test if there is fundamental intelligence in the universe? in post #4759

You responded be saying you don't have a clue and this is the reason you don't make bold empty claims in post #4760

Thus your calling on him to make the start as if you were capable of deeper discourse other than merely calling "bold empty claim', shows that you are not capable of engaging on the subject in question due to ignorance, and then you make the claim that this ignorance is the reason you do not make bold empty claims.

Oh...what bold faced lies are you referring to, please quote my exact words and context. Failure to do so will reveal what we already know about you!

 

[godnotgod]

Now all you need to do is show that intelligence is fundamental....

Well, now. We are intelligent beings, are we not? So let us attempt to use our intelligence, shall we?

Can you do or think anything without intelligence?

 

[godnotgod]

what a big steaming pile of bull ****.

Until you can present something that is more than wishful thinking or bad word games....

Perhaps you will be the first in over a century?

So your mind is squirming like a toad preventing you from paying attention for even a split second to what is being pointed to, plunging it instead into an emotionally charged response further destroying your attention. Your science has you by the b**lls in lockstep.

Is it at all conceivable to you even in the least that perfectly valid forms of knowledge exist besides that of science and factual evidence?

 

[YmirGF]

Can you do or think anything without intelligence?

American Democrats? Social Justice Warriors?

 

[ChristineM]

Do you think the placebo effect is fantasy or real?

Ask a medic

 

[ChristineM]

Actually it is extraordinary how similar the big bang theory is to god created the universe from nothing....particularly now that the paper your posted about the 'universe from nothing' is based on some false vacuum energy preexisting the true vacuum and subsequent creation of the universe. Substitute the false vacuum energy for God and it turns out the same......god may be the false vacuum energy..

But where did the false vacuum energy/god come from?

And therefore small, so very small it would require something like the sensors of the lhc to detect.

Why does it have to come from anywhere?

Given current knowledge, talking pre universe existence doesn't even make sense.