A Universe from Nothing?

[ChristineM]

My money is on you to break the cordiality..

First, what cordiality?

Second, you have no idea? And wouldn't admit to failure if it jumped up and slapped you in the face... Again

 

[godnotgod]

American Democrats? Social Justice Warriors?

YmirGF?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

And therefore small, so very small it would require something like the sensors of the lhc to detect.

Why does it have to come from anywhere?

Given current knowledge, talking pre universe existence doesn't even make sense.

According to theory, it exists, that is the point.

You're quite correct, it doesn't if it is eternal.

How else do you phrase it, the eternal false vacuum energy/god gave rise to the true vacuum and thence the universe.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

First, what cordiality?

Second, you have no idea? And wouldn't admit to failure if it jumped up and slapped you in the face... Again

See....I was on the money.

 

[ChristineM]

According to theory, it exists, that is the point.

You're quite correct, it doesn't if it is eternal.

How else do you phrase it, the eternal false vacuum energy/god gave rise to the true vacuum and thence the universe.

According to theory the vacuum bubble forms from nothing

Nor does it if it doesn't exist. You seem to have forgotten that scenario

So you have evidence to show "the eternal false vacuum energy/god gave rise to the true vacuum and thence the universe"

I can't wait to see it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

According to theory the vacuum bubble forms from nothing

Nor does it if it doesn't exist. You seem to have forgotten that scenario

So you have evidence to show "the eternal false vacuum energy/god gave rise to the true vacuum and thence the universe"

I can't wait to see it.

Show me the evidence in the theory where the false vacuum came from nothing?

But the paper says it does exist, I showed you.

I showed you in the post where I quoted the paper you linked to.

 

[ChristineM]

I was answering your 2nd post and it disappeared, did you delete it?
Never mind, here is my reply anyway


Wrong, they are analytical in their outlook. If they have proof/evidence they will accept, if they don't they will question

 

[ChristineM]

See....I was on the money.

wishful thinking and diversion

 

[ChristineM]

Show me the evidence in the theory where the false vacuum came from nothing?

But the paper says it does exist, I showed you.

I showed you in the post where I quoted the paper you linked to.

Actually you showed me nothing, you made a statement nand expected the world to bow down in wonder


And in quote from the paper

"This allows a small empty space to come into existence "

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sorry, here it is again...

Ask a medic

If they are a materialist, they will say no, if open minded they will say yes.

I was answering your 2nd post and it disappeared, did you delete it?
Never mind, here is my reply anyway

Wrong, they are analytical in their outlook. If they have proof/evidence they will accept, if they don't they will question

But a materialist's analysis is based on materialism which excludes the metaphysical and thus may be in error.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Actually you showed me nothing, you made a statement nand expected the world to bow down in wonder


And in quote from the paper

"This allows a small empty space to come into existence "

Can you post the link again please?

 

[ChristineM]

Sorry, here it is again...

If they are a materialist, they will say no, if open minded they will say yes.

But a materialist's analysis is based on materialism which excludes the metaphysical and thus may be in error.

You are the one imposing materialism and thus branding all medics materialist.

Analysis is based on evidence, not your opinion of other people

 

[ChristineM]

Can you post the link again please?

No, look back a few pages.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You are the one imposing materialism and thus branding all medics materialist.

Analysis is based on evidence, not your opinion of other people

Once again your poor understanding of english must be raised, read it again and you will see I made a distinction between the materialists and those with an open mind..

 

[ChristineM]

Once again your poor understanding of english must be raised, read it again and you will see I made a distinction between the materialists and those with an open mind..

Not in this post you didn't

But a materialist's analysis is based on materialism which excludes the metaphysical and thus may be in error.

 

[ChristineM]

Once again your poor understanding of english must be raised, read it again and you will see I made a distinction between the materialists and those with an open mind..

Oh, and see the basic ben d staple of ad hom is back pretty smartish.

Totally expected of course

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, look back a few pages.

Actually you showed me nothing, you made a statement nand expected the world to bow down in wonder


And in quote from the paper

"This allows a small empty space to come into existence "

From the paper verbatim...Explicit solutions of the WDWE for the special operator ordering factor p=-2 (or 4) show that, once a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum, it can expand exponentially no matter whether the bubble is closed, flat or open.

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

So you see the true vacuum bubble comes into existence from the quantum fluctuations of the false vacuum energy....it does not come from nothing.

Nothing comes from nothing, when are you going to get it?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Not in this post you didn't

But that is not the post in question, are you not even honest enough to admit the relevant post was #4796

See where I say....."If they are a materialist, they will say no, if open minded they will say yes."

If it is not your poor english, what is it?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Oh, and see the basic ben d staple of ad hom is back pretty smartish.

Totally expected of course

It is not ad hom, you have a reading problem that appears again and again and wastes way too much of my time!

 

[ChristineM]

But that is not the post in question, are you not even honest enough to admit the relevant post was #4796

See where I say....."If they are a materialist, they will say no, if open minded they will say yes."

If it is not your poor english, what is it?

It is the post i answered so your belligerent and ignorant ad hom has jus got you blocked