Ben Dhyan
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I already know.....absolute nothing can never be absolute everything...it is logic and reason here, no great mathematical computations required...
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A Universe from Nothing?
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Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
It is the cosmic nature...why do you imagine it needed to come into existence...it exists because it could not be any other way! The universe is not some creature that was created be another entity...it is existence itself...it is real...not a ghost that is seen and then not seen...
Who claims this? Not scientists -- and the mechanisms are being investigated. It's a hot topic in cosmology.There is no direct evidence...just the claim that nothing can be known as to why or how it began....the theory relies on the believers accepting that something from nothing just happened for no know reason...and get on with the maths concerned with aftermath...
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
There are scientists who are working on the basis that there was something present before the big bang....but that is not what we are talking about... A cyclical coming and going of manifestation though still means an eternal universe...and the beginning of a cycle of manifestation is only a relative perspective...an abstraction of time within eternity...
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
See this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...cks-theory-reality-doesn-t-exist-look-it.html. In science, one should not be categorical.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
I am surprised you were not aware of the concept of maya.... for those who are aware....the eternal real is the underlying unity of the apparent multiplicity of the indivisible one... The Eternal Tao is forever in balance due to the eternal dance of the complementary opposite forces of ying and yang... Abrahamic religion uses the complementary opposite pair of good and evil as the analogical metaphor.....
QV fluctuations do not mean the universe is not real....just that if mortals are looking for the real...they need to develop non-dual awareness... Science does not do Brahman, Tao, Nirvana, God, etc....
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
I do not make a claim about it....I merely point out to those who post a link about QV fluctuations (maya) meaning to show to me that absolute reality is not real.....do not understand non-duality...nor what I am trying to convey...
Are you assuming that means atheists can't understand them?
That is a lot to assume.
Why are you insisting that this has been the case?
There is no reason to believe that such a thing ever happened. Far as anyone can tell, there was always "something".
Are you assuming that means atheists can't understand them?
That is a lot to assume.
On the contrary. I was an atheist at the time I read these Writings.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Only popes say that absolute real is real. Science seems to be saying something different. Who knows if the void is the absolute real and what you perceive is just 'maya'. Perhaps the void is the greatest non-duality, there cannot be any greater non-duality. Perhaps that is the eternal Tao. You do claim that absolute real is real. Defining real and unreal is so difficult.
Yes, Luis, atheist cannot see it because atheists 'see through it' and find it false.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Then we are in agreement... the 'something from nothing' crowd are lacking something....
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
We have a language problem....the absolute real means real...not an interpretation, a perception, a conception or any other dualistic relationship wit the real...but to be one with the real....
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
But what you describe are dualists and that which they speculate about is themselves.....if they realized it..there is no need to wait for anything....
This strikes me as odd, inasmuch as a central tenet of the theory is that there was no "before" before the Big Bang.
Links?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Yes, we have a language problem here. The question is not about absolute reality but what that is supposed to be. Something existing or void. It does not involve any problem of duality/non-duality.
Of course, I know that I am what exists or what does not exist, whichever, as in reality everything else also is. Again, no problem about non-duality. I am exploring my own reality. Hope you get my point.
At the moment, no one knows for sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background
All these non-imaginable positions, only exist in human minds.
And some of them, imaginable, like airless space, but there's something there.
We have eternities within infinity, or is there 'one' eternity ?
And the 'beginning' from some creator who comes out of nothingness,
not explaining from where the 'creator' came, what generates this nothingness,
from whence the 'creator' came, how does one explain nothingness, no one can.
We have a lot of entities from which other entities evolve, or, are created.
There is the nothingness,singularity,beginning, inflation, expansion, coalescence,
and of course energy, and motion,
but no containers for any one of them,
chaos rules now,
but before...no container !!
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Just musing out loud...follishness !
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'mud
And some of them, imaginable, like airless space, but there's something there.
We have eternities within infinity, or is there 'one' eternity ?
And the 'beginning' from some creator who comes out of nothingness,
not explaining from where the 'creator' came, what generates this nothingness,
from whence the 'creator' came, how does one explain nothingness, no one can.
We have a lot of entities from which other entities evolve, or, are created.
There is the nothingness,singularity,beginning, inflation, expansion, coalescence,
and of course energy, and motion,
but no containers for any one of them,
chaos rules now,
but before...no container !!
~
Just musing out loud...follishness !
~
'mud