Thief
Rogue Theologian
that's like science is not science
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A Universe from Nothing?
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
removing cause and effect from science would be difficult.....a high bar
so to speak
and science will insist.....nothing moves without something to move it
and substance will remain at rest until that something comes along
God set all things in motion
substance is not self motivating
Thief
Rogue Theologian
we get to ask Him when we get 'there'
kinda difficult to grip the notion of motion without 'something created'
Thief
Rogue Theologian
time is a measure
Man created the measure, to help his poor wittle head wrap around events in relation to each other
the motion would be there as soon as Someone touches off on the substance
the measure was not required
You give god-belief way too much importance. As does everyone really.
Nope. You presume to have authority to say what must have happened regarding the origin (if any) of existence itself?
A 'measure' it is now, but before the 'motion' created by 'God',
and the inflation and all, and stars and stuff, before 'motion',
WHO touched anything to 'cause' 'motion' in the 'nothingness'.
And of course...what 'substance' was 'there' to be touched,
from outside the singularity.....where was that 'time' !
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'mud
and the inflation and all, and stars and stuff, before 'motion',
WHO touched anything to 'cause' 'motion' in the 'nothingness'.
And of course...what 'substance' was 'there' to be touched,
from outside the singularity.....where was that 'time' !
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'mud
Interesting. So God existed before he created anything. What if he simply never had decided to create anything he wouldn't be a Creator just a god existing all alone. But because of infinite regression he would never reach the time when he decided to create something so it's impossible for us to be here if God didn't have a start too...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
not really a problem.....
it's closer than you think
just keep breathing until.....you can't
I am surprised that even with the proof I have provided you are still not clear about existence of God and the holy mission of Bahaullah. Did not he have a vision of the maiden from God?
But what does that have to do with the question why there is a God in the first place instead of no God?If I got "a new eye, a new ear, a new heart, and a new mind" I wouldn't be me anymore but somebody else...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
physically?.....as in new body?
or waking up without your memories......?
saw a documentary about a guy that did just that.
A new awareness and consciousness. Enlightenment.
Nothing like. Enlightenment is what it means.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Google is your friend when you are not familiar with a relevant field of knowledge....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
But the universe is absolute reality....there is nothing else in existence... and it is what it is...ONE and eternal.. Those who think it reasonable that it is possible for it to not exist...either in the past or in the future...need to explain how it can made into nothing in order for there to be any plausibility and that they can not do...
The meditative mind has no problem seeing the eternal nature of existence....and simultaneously the absurdity of the universe not existing... The dualistic mind otoh can not imagine a non-beginning to anything at all, for everything it perceives lives and dies..and thus projects this temporary nature onto absolute existence itself...