after five years, i left islam. here's one huge contradiction in the qur`an

[Crypto2015]

They don't ususally but will try go for fruits if nothing else is available.

Well, I checked and that's true. The rest of the stupidities remain, though. Nice of a Satanist to defend Islam. You are all the children of Satan after all.

 

[Onyx]

Well, I checked and that's true. The rest of the stupidities remain, though. Nice of a Satanist to defend Islam. You are all the children of Satan after all.

U mad? I was just trying to help clarify something.

 

[Crypto2015]

U mad? I was just trying to help clarify something.

OK. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[uncung]

So, explain to me what "Alif, Lam, Meem" means. If you cannot do it, the verses of the Qur'an are not "presented in detail from one who is Wise and Acquainted", as Surah 11:1 asserts. If Surah 11:1 is a lie, then the Qur'an is not divinely inspired and Islam is a lie. I'll be waiting for your explanation of what "Alif, Lam, Meem" means. Also, don't come up with some philosophical rubbish that is alien to the Qur'an. The Qur'an asserts that all the verses are explained in detail, so if Islam is true, the meaning of these verses MUST be found inside the Qur'an and not outside of it.

Is that important to get know the meaning of Alif lam miim?

 

[Crypto2015]

Is that important to get know the meaning of Alif lam miim?

Yes. If the meaning is not contained within the Qu'ran the Qu'ran lies when it says that its verses are "explained in detail" (Surah 11:1).

 

[firedragon]

Yes, the author of the Qur'an thought that salty water and sweet water don't mix (FAIL), that the stars are closer to the Earth than the moon (FAIL), and that the sun literally sinks in a pool of murky water (TRIPLE FAIL). Are you telling me that you really believe these things?

1.

2. Where does it say stars are the nearest?
3. It does not say the sun sinks in water.

 

[firedragon]

The author of the Qur'an also thought that bees ate fruits. LOL.

"And thy Lord taught the Bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations; Then to eat of all the fruits (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colors, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought." (Qur'an 16:68-69)

According to the Qur'an bees eat all kinds of fruits. When was the last time you saw a bee eating a banana? Bees don't eat fruits at all. This book should be considered a huge joke.

ITs telling you to eat. And that bees honey has healing medicinal values. Its addressing you, the reader.

 

[firedragon]

Whoever wrote the Qu'an didn't know even the most basic mathematics

4.11: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.

4.12: In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.

(Qur'an 4:11-12)

• Wife: 1/8 = 3/24,
• Daughters: 2/3 = 16/24,
• Father: 1/6 = 4/24,
• Mother: 1/6 = 4/24,
• Total = 27/24=1.125

The total is not equal to 1.

Do you even see the word "if"?

 

[firedragon]

Yes. If the meaning is not contained within the Qu'ran the Qu'ran lies when it says that its verses are "explained in detail" (Surah 11:1).

They are not verses mate. Verses start after them.

 

[Crypto2015]

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2. Where does it say stars are the nearest?
3. It does not say the sun sinks in water.

The picture that you posted is the reason why Muhammad thought that salty water and sweet water don't mix. However, he was wrong. The two streams actually mix, although the mixing is a slow process and because of that the waters seem to be separated as you showed in your picture. You can make an experiment in your kitchen using salt and water. You'll prove Allah wrong in no time.

Regarding the moon and the stars:

"He Who created the seven heavens, one above the other ...And We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps ... " (67:3,5)

"And He completed them seven heavens in two days and inspired in each heaven its command; and We adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and rendered it guarded..." (41:12)

"We have indeed adorned the lower heaven with the beauty of the stars." (37:6)

Do you not see how God has created the seven heavens one above the other, and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a lamp? (71:15-16)

So, the stars are in the lowest heaven, whereas the moon is in the middle of the heavens, between the third and the fourth heaven, apparently. It is also noteworthy that there is no such a thing as a heaven divided into seven layers.

Regarding the sun sinking in murky water:

Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

 

[Crypto2015]

They are not verses mate. Verses start after them.

Verse 2:1 consists only of those three letters that mean nothing.

 

[firedragon]

Verse 2:1 consists only of those three letters that mean nothing.

The Quran does not have verse numbers like you read now. They are new.

Alif Lam Meem etc are not verses.

 

[Crypto2015]

The Quran does not have verse numbers like you read now. They are new.

Alif Lam Meem etc are not verses.

It is not an excuse. Find the meaning of these verses before the sun sinks in muddy water today.

 

[firedragon]

The picture that you posted is the reason why Muhammad thought that salty water and sweet water don't mix. However, he was wrong. The two streams actually mix, although the mixing is a slow process and because of that the waters seem to be separated as you showed in your picture. You can make an experiment in your kitchen using salt and water. You'll prove Allah wrong in no time.

It does mix. Just takes some time rightly as you said.

The Quran does not say "It never mixes". IT says that there is a barrier, a Barzak. It is a balance of nature, and that will not be transgressed, Yabgiyani.

And mate, Muhammed never saw the sea, and he didnt have internet to share images like this.

 

[firedragon]

It is not an excuse. Find the meaning of these verses before the sun sinks in muddy water today.

Yes your honour I shall do that.

 

[firedragon]

Regarding the moon and the stars:

"He Who created the seven heavens, one above the other ...And We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps ... " (67:3,5)

It doesnt say stars.

 

[firedragon]

So, the stars are in the lowest heaven, whereas the moon is in the middle of the heavens, between the third and the fourth heaven, apparently. It is also noteworthy that there is no such a thing as a heaven divided into seven layers.

It doesnt say third and the fourth heavens. Good god where do you get this from?

Regarding the sun sinking in murky water:

Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

Why do you quote some other story when discussing the Quran?

Setting place of the sun is the "Maghrib", the Arabic word for east. One word.
Read a few verses after this. He also goes to the west and finds a people.

This is about a people near a body of water that he found. In the east. Dont interpret it through the hadith you quoted, because that hadith is written centuries later, nothing to do with the Quran.

 

[uncung]

Whoever wrote the Qu'an didn't know even the most basic mathematics

4.11: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.

4.12: In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.

(Qur'an 4:11-12)

• Wife: 1/8 = 3/24,
• Daughters: 2/3 = 16/24,
• Father: 1/6 = 4/24,
• Mother: 1/6 = 4/24,
• Total = 27/24=1.125

The total is not equal to 1.

weird, where is the son portion in your calculation like the verse mentions?

 

[uncung]

Yes. If the meaning is not contained within the Qu'ran the Qu'ran lies when it says that its verses are "explained in detail" (Surah 11:1).

I asked, is that important to know the meaning of Alif lam miin?
How important is it? Is that important to save you from hell? to guide you to the salvation?

 

[uncung]

The picture that you posted is the reason why Muhammad thought that salty water and sweet water don't mix. However, he was wrong. The two streams actually mix, although the mixing is a slow process and because of that the waters seem to be separated as you showed in your picture. You can make an experiment in your kitchen using salt and water. You'll prove Allah wrong in no time.

Regarding the moon and the stars:

"He Who created the seven heavens, one above the other ...And We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps ... " (67:3,5)

"And He completed them seven heavens in two days and inspired in each heaven its command; and We adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and rendered it guarded..." (41:12)

"We have indeed adorned the lower heaven with the beauty of the stars." (37:6)

Do you not see how God has created the seven heavens one above the other, and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a lamp? (71:15-16)

So, the stars are in the lowest heaven, whereas the moon is in the middle of the heavens, between the third and the fourth heaven, apparently. It is also noteworthy that there is no such a thing as a heaven divided into seven layers.

Regarding the sun sinking in murky water:

Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

The lowest heaven means the first heaven.