after five years, i left islam. here's one huge contradiction in the qur`an

[Augustus]

It doesn't.
حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغۡرِبَ ٱلشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغۡرُبُ فِى عَيۡنٍ حَمِئَةٍ۬ (read from here)
(Quran 18 86)
The rough translation:
Till when he reached the مَغۡرِبَ ٱلشَّمۡسِ, he found (his vision) it set in a muddy spring,..
مَغۡرِبَ ٱلشَّمۡسِ = magriba syamsa
magrib = the time of the sunset in the west.

In this verse it implies Dzul Qarnain went to the west and he reached the place at the magrib (sun set) time.

The problem with this is that Dhul is certainly Alexander the Great, and that this section of al-Kahf is a response/reworking/discussion on the Syriac Neshana of Alexander, which is an iteration of the Alexander Romance that has a long history in the Abrahamic tradition.

Alexander in his neshana went to a place where the sun set 'near to' fetid water (and did everything else that Dhul did)

All 3 stories in al-Kahf actually relate to pre-existing traditions (although are not necessarily 'copies' of them, more reworkings)

 

[firedragon]

It says clearly that it sets in water. This alone should be enough for you to throw your Qu'ran away.

It clearly does not

 

[YmirGF]

The problem with this is that Dhul is certainly Alexander the Great, and that this section of al-Kahf is a response/reworking/discussion on the Syriac Neshana of Alexander, which is an iteration of the Alexander Romance that has a long history in the Abrahamic tradition.

Alexander in his neshana went to a place where the sun set 'near to' fetid water (and did everything else that Dhul did)

All 3 stories in al-Kahf actually relate to pre-existing traditions (although are not necessarily 'copies' of them, more reworkings)

One would rather expect an all-knowing deity to iron out the errors rather than preserve them in his own narrative.

 

[firedragon]

What does it say? Did we get the wrong verse? Even your prophet agrees that the sun sets in a muddy spring.

It was the prophet who wrote the Quran. It does not say that. Maghrib is the east.

 

[YmirGF]

It clearly does not

So.... for the sake of clarity... you are saying that the Qur'an doesn't actually mean what it says?

It was the prophet who wrote the Quran. It does not say that. Maghrib is the east.

Ouch.... aren't you supposed to be telling us that Allah is the author of the Qur'an? Muhammad was illiterate, jus' sayin'....

 

[uncung]

The problem with this is that Dhul is certainly Alexander the Great, and that this section of al-Kahf is a response/reworking/discussion on the Syriac Neshana of Alexander, which is an iteration of the Alexander Romance that has a long history in the Abrahamic tradition.

Alexander in his neshana went to a place where the sun set 'near to' fetid water (and did everything else that Dhul did)

All 3 stories in al-Kahf actually relate to pre-existing traditions (although are not necessarily 'copies' of them, more reworkings)

NO, he was not Alexander the great.
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[YmirGF]

NO, he was not Alexander the great.
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Who, pray tell, was he then?

 

[firedragon]

So.... for the sake of clarity... you are saying that the Qur'an doesn't actually mean what it says?

Nope. It means what it says. Just that you would like it to be what you want it to be or lose the opportunity to insult.

Ouch.... aren't you supposed to be telling us that Allah is the author of the Qur'an? Muhammad was illiterate, jus' sayin'....

Not at this time. Thats irrelevant.

 

[uncung]

Who, pray tell, was he then?

?

 

[YmirGF]

Nope. It means what it says. Just that you would like it to be what you want it to be or lose the opportunity to insult.



Not at this time. Thats irrelevant.

 

[YmirGF]

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Oy vey....

 

[firedragon]

 

[Rival]

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Who is the damn guy who found the place where the sun sets?

 

[Crypto2015]

Does your bible characterize the false prophet criteria? What does your Bible say about Paul oops I mean Prophet Muhammad?

It says that he was a false prophet. Jesus said

"Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, by their fruit you will recognize them." (Matthew 7:15-20)

In Deuteronomy God says

‘But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ (Deuteronomy 18:20)

It is well attested that Muhammad spoke the Satanic Verses while being inspired by Satan. Hence, he was a false prophet. Moses would have stoned Muhammad to death.

 

[Crypto2015]

Regarding the sun setting in muddy water, this is what some of the most famous medieval Muslim scholars thought about the verse:

• “The sun sets in a slimy spring: that is, a well which contains mud. Some of the readers of the Quran read it, ‘…a hot spring’, thus the spring combines the two descriptions. It was said that Ibn ‘Abbas found Mu’awiya reading it (as) hot. He told him, ‘It is muddy,’ Mu’awiya sent to Ka’b al-Ahbar and asked him. ‘Where does the sun set?’ He said in water and mud and there were some people. So he agreed with the statement of ibn al-‘Abbas. And there was a man who composed a few verses of poetry about the setting of the sun in the slimy spring.”– al-Baydawi,The Lights of Revelation (p. 399)
• Al-Tabari went so far as to say the pool where the sun sets contains lime (see the Concise Interpretation of Tabari, p. 19 of part 2)

 

[firedragon]

Regarding the sun setting in muddy water, this is what some of the most famous medieval Muslim scholars thought about the verse:

• “The sun sets in a slimy spring: that is, a well which contains mud. Some of the readers of the Quran read it, ‘…a hot spring’, thus the spring combines the two descriptions. It was said that Ibn ‘Abbas found Mu’awiya reading it (as) hot. He told him, ‘It is muddy,’ Mu’awiya sent to Ka’b al-Ahbar and asked him. ‘Where does the sun set?’ He said in water and mud and there were some people. So he agreed with the statement of ibn al-‘Abbas. And there was a man who composed a few verses of poetry about the setting of the sun in the slimy spring.”– al-Baydawi,The Lights of Revelation (p. 399)
• Al-Tabari went so far as to say the pool where the sun sets contains lime (see the Concise Interpretation of Tabari, p. 19 of part 2)

 

[McBell]

It is well attested that Muhammad spoke the Satanic Verses while being inspired by Satan.

"Attested" by whom?

 

[YmirGF]

"Attested" by whom?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses

 

[Augustus]

"Attested" by whom?

Strangely enough, the uber-Sunni ibn Taymiyya who is loved by many Salafi types was one who believed the 'verse of the cranes' incident actually occurred.

Although it is fair to add that he explained it as a positive story that attested to Muhammed's honesty.

 

[McBell]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses

thank you