after five years, i left islam. here's one huge contradiction in the qur`an

[firedragon]

god made everything good according to the bible.

again you completely ignored my statement.
In amos who is god talking to?
did the Israelites not agree to a blessing and a curse in front of them?
show me god is responsible for suffering in the entire new testaent

Mate. I can show you all 3 concepts from the bible. I can also show you that the belief in afterlife and preparation and all kinds of stuff are not true, from the bible.

The bible contradicts itself.

And why would you specifically ask about the NT?

 

[firedragon]

god made everything good according to the bible.

again you completely ignored my statement.
In amos who is god talking to?
did the Israelites not agree to a blessing and a curse in front of them?
show me god is responsible for suffering in the entire new testaent

Yet, in this case its not the Devil who is creating suffering, its God. There are other cases where it is the Devil as well.

You contradict the bible.

 

[anonymous9887]

Mate. I can show you all 3 concepts from the bible. I can also show you that the belief in afterlife and preparation and all kinds of stuff are not true, from the bible.

The bible contradicts itself.

And why would you specifically ask about the NT?

I think that you are fighting the bible so much that you are not paying attention to the scripture.

show me the 3 concepts and I am positive each has a distinct exegesis.

here is why I don't trust your interpretation.
1. the scripture you quoted is an Amos is directed to the Israelites not to the nation or for all.
2. the Israelites made a pact with god, they agreed. yet if they obeyed they would live a great life. It was their choice.
3. I asked for a text for the new covenant that god deals with us in the same way, that he causes suffering.

I will show you the opposite. James 1:13

 

[anonymous9887]

Yet, in this case its not the Devil who is creating suffering, its God. There are other cases where it is the Devil as well.

You contradict the bible.

it is not evil because it was a contract between them. everyone knew the rules. these were judgments by the way. they agreed.
they had the choice between a great life and these plagues, they chose the plagues. that's not evil that is judgment.

 

[anonymous9887]

Yet, in this case its not the Devil who is creating suffering, its God. There are other cases where it is the Devil as well.

You contradict the bible.

Btw With the exegesis you are using it is definitely showing me that not once have you given the bible a fair chance.

 

[anonymous9887]

Mate. I can show you all 3 concepts from the bible. I can also show you that the belief in afterlife and preparation and all kinds of stuff are not true, from the bible.

The bible contradicts itself.

And why would you specifically ask about the NT?

now I have a question.
Did god create Adam to live forever or die? Was Adam born to die yes or no?

 

[firedragon]

Btw With the exegesis you are using it is definitely showing me that not once have you given the bible a fair chance.

You could be right. But I certainly believe you havent either.

 

[anonymous9887]

Yet, in this case its not the Devil who is creating suffering, its God. There are other cases where it is the Devil as well.

You contradict the bible.

I was reading the Quran with an open mind, but when I ran into sura 3:6 I stopped till someone could properly explain it.

 

[firedragon]

it is not evil because it was a contract between them. everyone knew the rules. these were judgments by the way. they agreed.
they had the choice between a great life and these plagues, they chose the plagues. that's not evil that is judgment.

This is why I distinguished between Theodicy and suffering and my questions you answered were on Suffering.

 

[anonymous9887]

You could be right. But I certainly believe you havent either.

I have read the bible over and over again and again, and I have dealt with the difficult responses.

 

[anonymous9887]

This is why I distinguished between Theodicy and suffering and my questions you answered were on Suffering.

I certainly distinguish the difference from unjust suffering and Justice, those are 2 different things, there is no justice right now. we are awaiting for god to do something about this crazy world soon.

 

[firedragon]

1. the scripture you quoted is an Amos is directed to the Israelites not to the nation or for all.

Okay. What scripture discusses the whole world regarding this subject?

 

[anonymous9887]

This is why I distinguished between Theodicy and suffering and my questions you answered were on Suffering.

so if you could please answer my simple question since I have replied to yours?
Did Allah create Adam to die or did he have the capacity to live forever?

 

[firedragon]

I have read the bible over and over again and again, and I have dealt with the difficult responses.

Mate, I claim the same thing. Lets not make claims because I cant show you a physical certificate and we probably live oceans apart,

day after day, and I slowly go insane. I hear your voice, ........ Sorry couldnt help remembering Phil Collins, errm did I even spell that right?

 

[serp777]

I suppose that you came to this conclusion assuming that Muhammad peace be upon him was the author and that he was writing the verses. That is the only explanation that would lead to your conclusion.

The Quraan is revealed through the angel Gabriel to Muhammad peace be upon him. Quraan is the Word of God, not a human, not words of the prophets.

As for two and three, I didn't understand what you were claiming.

I never understood why some Muslims have to keep saying "peace be upon him" as if Muhammad or God is actively concerned with some text on the internet. ALso instead of Gabriel just writing it himself, he decided to have a peasant write it for him in a cave where nobody could see him for God knows how long. UNLIKELY.

 

[firedragon]

so if you could please answer my simple question since I have replied to yours?
Did Allah create Adam to die or did he have the capacity to live forever?

First of all you have to understand the Quranic concept of creation. Its not like Harry Potter. Kun means an involvement. Youve asked this question a lot of times getting the same answer. I wonder why.

Second, you must understand the biblical language of Die and Live. The soul that sinneth shall die is not a physical death. Its a spiritual death.

Third, if Adam was a human being, of course he was gonna die. Like any other creature.

 

[anonymous9887]

Okay. What scripture discusses the whole world regarding this subject?

James 1:13 When under trial let no one say I am being tried by god for with evil things cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.
2 peter 3:9 the Lord does not desire anyone to perish but desires all to attain repentance

Satan
Luke 4:6
John 14:30
2 Corinthians 4:4
1 John 5:19
Revelation 12:9

we see satans power in the 1st and second chapter of Job

1 Corinthians 7:5
acts 26:18
Luke 13:16

so many other passages as well that tells us what Satan is all about.

 

[firedragon]

James 1:13 When under trial let no one say I am being tried by god for with evil things cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.
2 peter 3:9 the Lord does not desire anyone to perish but desires all to attain repentance

Satan
Luke 4:6
John 14:30
2 Corinthians 4:4
1 John 5:19
Revelation 12:9

we see satans power in the 1st and second chapter of Job

1 Corinthians 7:5
acts 26:18
Luke 13:16

so many other passages as well that tells us what Satan is all about.

None in the OT?

 

[anonymous9887]

First of all you have to understand the Quranic concept of creation. Its not like Harry Potter. Kun means an involvement. Youve asked this question a lot of times getting the same answer. I wonder why.

Second, you must understand the biblical language of Die and Live. The soul that sinneth shall die is not a physical death. Its a spiritual death.

Third, if Adam was a human being, of course he was gonna die. Like any other creature.

If you are dead spiritually what does that mean for you if you die in that condition?

 

[anonymous9887]

None in the OT?

yes I am not going to point them all out for you.
Job the 1st and 2nd chapters
Genesis chapter 3
Zechariah chapter 3

there are other instances, just look for them.