American Muslim women protest gender apartheid at mosque.

[.lava]

Well, either way, apperantly I "hate" Muslims and am "evil dude" for pointing out that Malaysia is a lovely nation because of their none-traditional forms. I recommend you to visit it.

You may be right, but the other way around, Malaysia is a Western Country in a Muslim Dress, as Anyone from Iraq, Egypt or more Fundie Muslim nations would most likely consider Malaysia, as a whole, western/None-Muslim/Secular.

What is the point, saying anything that does not fit the "form" make me an evil guy and they (muslims I spoke to hear now) refuse to accept the fact. What can you do. You peak to them, Your Muslim..

i would like to visit Malaysia someday, if i have chance.

you're not evil for having an opinion. i personally find it weird that you make a relation between practices of Islam and having different standards of life. i believe this is what Muslims disagree here. sure that's what i disagree. it is not being a Muslim or being someone who has faith in God and after life that make people lazy, unsuccessful, useless...etc. i actually find it cruel to say such a thing

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[Gabethewiking]

i would like to visit Malaysia someday, if i have chance.

you're not evil for having an opinion. i personally find it weird that you make a relation between practices of Islam and having different standards of life. i believe this is what Muslims disagree here. sure that's what i disagree. it is not being a Muslim or being someone who has faith in God and after life that make people lazy, unsuccessful, useless...etc. i actually find it cruel to say such a thing

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I just pointed out that muslim nation following muslim Tradition (to literal) equals poor and backwards, I gave no opinion about this, just the fact of my travels.

This may or may not be related, we in the U.S are heavily Christian and Christianity controls alot, this has destroyed our school system, just as in Muslim nations, as well as other various things such as Xenophobia and War. Is this directly linked? Perhaps, i would say there is several factors.

Regarding Malaysia, I think it is a direct link, Malays ae becoming more like westerners because of the British history, This has caused them to build a good and functional society at the same time as keeping unharmful tradition of the muslim faith.

Once again, no insult intended, hell, I come from the United States, we are the most uneducated people in the western world, why do you think all our movies say WE are the best whiles They (German, Japanese, Chinese, Muslim, Communist ad infinitum) are Evil(tm)? The same reason strong nationalism is promoted in Arab nations, to keep the people in control, why would they learn or change if they think they are the best and everyone is jealous? If you get it, then welcome to our world, Ignorance is a horrible thing.

 

[aymen amir]

I just pointed out that muslim nation following muslim Tradition (to literal) equals poor and backwards, I gave no opinion about this, just the fact of my travels.

This may or may not be related, we in the U.S are heavily Christian and Christianity controls alot, this has destroyed our school system, just as in Muslim nations, as well as other various things such as Xenophobia and War. Is this directly linked? Perhaps, i would say there is several factors.

Regarding Malaysia, I think it is a direct link, Malays ae becoming more like westerners because of the British history, This has caused them to build a good and functional society at the same time as keeping unharmful tradition of the muslim faith.

Once again, no insult intended, hell, I come from the United States, we are the most uneducated people in the western world, why do you think all our movies say WE are the best whiles They (German, Japanese, Chinese, Muslim, Communist ad infinitum) are Evil(tm)? The same reason strong nationalism is promoted in Arab nations, to keep the people in control, why would they learn or change if they think they are the best and everyone is jealous? If you get it, then welcome to our world, Ignorance is a horrible thing.

your the first AMERICAN to admit this :yes:
:clap

 

[.lava]

I just pointed out that muslim nation following muslim Tradition (to literal) equals poor and backwards, I gave no opinion about this, just the fact of my travels.

i am sorry, it is just an opinion based on how you interpret what you saw during your travels. might be partially true. that's not my problem or my reason to keep replying to you. i don't mind what you think of societies. i am not saying i like situation in our societies. yet unlike you say, what i see is people are away from their roots. once people try to be like someone else, they lose their true identity. i would like to see Muslims educating themselves, learning science..etc but i would not like the idea they must abandon their ID, their own culture, their religion to make that happen. IMO this is a lie.

let me ask you one more time;

what does tradition has to do with religion of Islam?

and correct me if i am wrong; you say societies are poor and backwards because they practice Islam and they hold onto their culture. that's what i understand from your posts

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[Gharib]

I lived in the most popualted Muslim nation on the planet, I know about the culture I am just curious about the Mosque setup as woman are seperated but the men are not, what about homosexual muslims, whatever they came out or not would be irrelevant, your god would know about homosexuals as well, right?

there are no homosexual muslims. such people don't exist. you either are muslim or you are homosexual.

 

[Gharib]

American Muslim women protest gender apartheid at mosque.

Thoughts? Again, especially from Muslims?

the follwoing article ought to answer your questions

Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women

The research shows men who spend even a few minutes in the company of an attractive woman perform less well in tests designed to measure brain function than those who chat to someone they do not find attractive.
Researchers who carried out the study, published in the Journal of Experimental and Social Psychology, think the reason may be that men use up so much of their brain function or 'cognitive resources' trying to impress beautiful women, they have little left for other tasks.
The findings have implications for the performance of men who flirt with women in the workplace, or even exam results in mixed-sex schools.

Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women - Telegraph

 

[Kerr]

lol you're interesting

laws are for anyone. sure there are men who's not distracted by women. but if there is a law in Islam, that law is not written considering the best kind of men or the worst. one can not come up with the idea like "i am not distracted by anyone so this law should not include me". laws are applied to everyone equally

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Maybe, I just find it a weird law. Would maybe even say it may cause its own issue, since in my experience what you are used to do has a lot to do with what distracts you. So I guess that if you are used to pray among mixed sexes then it wouldn´t distract you as much... but I have never been in a situation like that, praying for real that is, so I could be completely wrong, lol.

And I am not saying I can´t be distracted by women, it is just that I would be distracted by something else instead.

 

[Snowber]

I'm glad the world is starting to see the ignorance is human made teachings rather than following GOD's Word alone.

[3:195] Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another. Thus, those who immigrate, and get evicted from their homes, and are persecuted because of Me, and fight and get killed, I will surely remit their sins and admit them into gardens with flowing streams." Such is the reward from GOD. GOD possesses the ultimate reward.

Thought I will defend that many traditional Muslims today, though they believe in the separation of men and women unfortunately, they do not ALL see it as a belittling of women.

In the Koran nothing is mentioned about a lady not praying/fasting during his period either, I hope that'll be the next step.

 

[Kerr]

I'm glad the world is starting to see the ignorance is human made teachings rather than following GOD's Word alone.



Thought I will defend that many traditional Muslims today, though they believe in the separation of men and women unfortunately, they do not ALL see it as a belittling of women.

In the Koran nothing is mentioned about a lady not praying/fasting during his period either, I hope that'll be the next step.

Honestly, I feel it is belittering me as a man . Like I can´t keep my mind in check because of what I happen to have between my legs... ok, I can´t, but for other reasons then me being a man, lol!

 

[Smoke]

what does tradition has to do with religion of Islam?

Tradition has something to do with any religion that's more than a few years old.

Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus can all give reasons now to try to explain the segregation of women, but I think the segregation came first and the reasons came later.

When I lived in New Jersey, I had a lot of Puerto Rican friends, and the men and women lived separate lives to an extent that surprised me. Men went to bars together, women -- or respectable women, anyway, didn't go to bars at all. Men didn't discuss serious things with women, and women didn't discuss serious things with men. If there was a movie everyone wanted to see, they didn't go as couples. One night the men would go, and the women would stay home with the children. The next night the women would go and the men would stay home with the children. There was easy mixing of the sexes at dinners and family gatherings, but by and large, women sought the company of women and men sought the company of men.

I suspect that's how the segregation of sexes at prayer began. Nobody said, We must put the women behind a screen to keep them from distracting the men; the women probably prayed separately from the men because that was the way things were done in those times and places, and most likely nobody would have thought to do it any other way. Only later, as societies began to change, did people ask, Why do we do this?

In church basements and parish halls all across America, Orthodox and Catholic and Protestant Christians gather after services and have coffee together. Nobody asks, Why do we stand around and talk after services? Why do we serve coffee? Why do we offer powdered creamer to put in the coffee, and not butterscotch syrup? Why sugar and artificial sweeteners, but not honey or molasses? It's done, and done the way it's done, because that's how we do things. None of it has any ponderous significance or deep meaning; it's just the way things are done. Is somebody certain to come along and say, "Why don't we have herbal tea and bottled water instead of coffee?" Of course they are. Will they meet resistance? Of course they will.

 

[Smoke]

Maybe, I just find it a weird law. Would maybe even say it may cause its own issue, since in my experience what you are used to do has a lot to do with what distracts you. So I guess that if you are used to pray among mixed sexes then it wouldn´t distract you as much... but I have never been in a situation like that, praying for real that is, so I could be completely wrong, lol.

And I am not saying I can´t be distracted by women, it is just that I would be distracted by something else instead.

I'm attracted to men, and when I was Orthodox I prayed on the right side of the church surrounded by men, many of them good-looking men, and I don't recall ever being distracted from my prayer more than twice. I went to church to pray and receive communion, not to check out the men, and I can remember the two times I felt distracted by certain men precisely because it was so unusual.

 

[Sajdah]

And if you worry about little details, then what will make you really worried is your shoes...LOL. After the prayers, you can be surprised that your shoes have gone. "My shoes, someone stole my shoes!!" And you would have to search for anything to wear like slippers. :yes:

LOL, I've experienced that thing once....It was very funny, though!

In that mosque (where I lost my shoes ) men and women used to pray at the same hall with a curtain between them. That happened when there was a few number of women....But when the women's numbers increased, they built two floors for them, and one hall for men, you know when the number of men increases, they don't need to build any extra place as they can carpet the street and pray at it.

 

[.lava]

there are no homosexual muslims. such people don't exist. you either are muslim or you are homosexual.

who says that? and how so?

all those who murder, rape, torture, be injust, tell lie, gossip, steal, drink alcohol, start fight, beat people...they are all Muslims or not?

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[Aquitaine]

who says that? and how so?

all those who murder, rape, torture, be injust, tell lie, gossip, steal, drink alcohol, start fight, beat people...they are all Muslims or not?

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I don't get how one's sexual preference could possibly hinder one's ability to believe in God.

 

[.lava]

Maybe, I just find it a weird law. Would maybe even say it may cause its own issue, since in my experience what you are used to do has a lot to do with what distracts you. So I guess that if you are used to pray among mixed sexes then it wouldn´t distract you as much... but I have never been in a situation like that, praying for real that is, so I could be completely wrong, lol.

And I am not saying I can´t be distracted by women, it is just that I would be distracted by something else instead.

people have different weaknesses. this kind of stuff is for people in general. that is not to say all men are distracted by women. not all men are the same and not all women are the same either

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[.lava]

In the Koran nothing is mentioned about a lady not praying/fasting during his period either, I hope that'll be the next step.

so there is nothing that puts you in a position where you 'MUST' renew your ablution? please tell me if you practice ablution and if "yes", then when you need to renew it..

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[Gharib]

who says that? and how so?

all those who murder, rape, torture, be injust, tell lie, gossip, steal, drink alcohol, start fight, beat people...they are all Muslims or not?

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the prophet has said that when a muslim sins he is but a muslim (sorry i couldn't find the exact hadith it is in Bukhari)

if someone says that he is a muslim and is gay, he is sinning. so he is but a muslim meaninf he is gay and not a muslim according to the hadith of he prophet (saws).

a muslim that commits murder is but a muslim when he murders someone. the same applies for a rapist, a liar, a thief, a drunk person etc etc.

 

[Gharib]

I don't get how one's sexual preference could possibly hinder one's ability to believe in God.

homosexuality is a sin in islam. the people of prophet Lut (as) were destroyed for openly practising homosexuality.

 

[.lava]

the prophet has said that when a muslim sins he is but a muslim (sorry i couldn't find the exact hadith it is in Bukhari)

if someone says that he is a muslim and is gay, he is sinning. so he is but a muslim meaninf he is gay and not a muslim according to the hadith of he prophet (saws).

a muslim that commits murder is but a muslim when he murders someone. the same applies for a rapist, a liar, a thief, a drunk person etc etc.

i don't understand what you're saying. are you saying someone who commit sins is not a Muslim? if that is the case then what's forgiveness of God for?

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[Aquitaine]

homosexuality is a sin in islam. the people of prophet Lut (as) were destroyed for openly practising homosexuality.

Ah yes, Lut. I remember his quite controversial tale, I wonder if it's the same in Islam as it is in Christianity, does the story change much?

Regardless, that depends only on whether or not one is a Koran literalist. Of the few Muslims I know in person, I've met Gay ones before - they still believe in Allah and follow thier interpretation of Islam just like the rest of them do. I don't see why it's a problem.

Hell if Allah's annoyed by them being Gay, well then he shouldn't have "invented" it!