An Issue Of Valuing The Lives Of Others

[Estro Felino]

Personally, I have a hard time trying to wrap my head on the notion that people even want to have any children while living under a failed community.

Nations and States I care none about. They are just bothersome political fictions, worth no respect whatsoever on their own. I wish I could hope to live to see the abandomnent of the very concepts. They create a whole lot more harm than good, always did.

In a way, Israel, Gaza and much of the Arab World are perfect displays of my reasons. The joined burdens of both Abrahamic and National mythologies does no good to anyone there.

Greece and Turkey used to be enemies in the past. Now they are allies, they are good neighbors.
Nationalism doesn't imply destruction.

 

[Revoltingest]

Greece and Turkey used to be enemies in the past. Now they are allies, they are good neighbors.
Nationalism doesn't imply destruction.

If some day Israel stops oppressing & killing
Palestinians, then it too can find peace with
neighbors. But that's not the culture of
Christians & Jews who practice biblical
vengeance.

 

[Estro Felino]

If some day Israel stops oppressing & killing
Palestinians, then it too can find peace with
neighbors. But that's not the culture of
Christians & Jews who practice biblical
vengeance.

It's absolutely false. In 1870 the Italian kingdom waged war against the Papacy, took Rome, and annexed the region.
The Pope has never sought "biblical vengeance".

 

[Revoltingest]

In 1870 the Italian kingdom waged war against the Papacy, took Rome, and annexed the region.
The Pope has never sought "biblical vengeance".

That distraction doesn't change the fact that
Christians & Jews together wage continual
war on Palestinians.

It's interesting that Israel's apologists never
address Israel's treatment of Palestinians &
Muslims in general. They always deflect with
the "look over here" tactic. It strikes me that
you know it's wrong...but you just can't face
it because you'd have to change your ways.

 

[Estro Felino]

That distraction doesn't change the fact that
Christians & Jews together wage continual
war on Palestinians.

It's interesting that Israel's apologists never
address Israel's treatment of Palestinians &
Muslims in general. They always deflect with
the "look over here" tactic. It strikes me that
you know it's wrong...but you just can't face
it because you'd have to change your ways.

For years Hamas has launched rockets. Thousands and thousands of rockets towards Israel.

Israel underwent them.
Those were not luminous signals of love. They were rockets of hate.

 

[Revoltingest]

For years Hamas has launched rockets. Thousands and thousands of rockets towards Israel.

Israel underwent them.
Those were not luminous signals of love. They were rockets of hate.

Is that your justification for decades of oppressing
& killing innocent Palestinians, & for this recent
deadly vengeance in Gaza?

 

[Estro Felino]

. They always deflect with
the "look over here" tactic. It strikes me that
you know it's wrong...but you just can't face
it because you'd have to change your ways.

The "look over here" is actually called rejection of double standards.

 

[Revoltingest]

The "look over here" is actually called rejection of double standards.

Says the king of double standards.
You've criticized Ukraine's defending itself against Russia's invasion.
But you favor Israel's war crimes by calling it self defense.

 

[Estro Felino]

Says the king of double standards.
You've criticized Ukraine's defending itself against Russia's invasion.
But you favor Israel's war crimes by calling it self defense.

In Donbas there are Russians who have the right to self-determination.
The right to live under the aegis of the Russian Federation.

Not under the aegis of an Ukrainian regime that hates Russians.

In the same way I defend Palestinians' right to self-determination, as it has always been ascertained in the EU. Read the EU resolutions bout Palestine.

 

[LuisDantas]

Greece and Turkey used to be enemies in the past. Now they are allies, they are good neighbors.
Nationalism doesn't imply destruction.

Excuse me? This is more than a bit simplistic, to say the least.

 

[Kenny]

You're mistaken in several ways.
"Palestine" is hardly a functioning country.
it's an open air prison, with Israel as the brutal jailer.
Israel has intentionally kept Palestinians poor, abused,
& short lived. Hamas & its violent ways wouldn't arise
if if Israel didn't perpetrate such evil over many decades.
Both sides are responsible for their actions. But only
Israel is responsible for creating the conditions that
create war. It consciously chooses to wield its great
power (using USA as minion) to this end.

And thus, again, you give it a hew of anti-semitism. What you have said is not a criticism but rather a justification for the killing of the innocent.

I am now no longer surprised that you have no criticism of the innocent burned, killed, tortured and mutilated in Israel.

What does that mean in English?

I suppose I should ask you why you approve of Israel's
continued brutalization of Palestinians, & now of their
murdering over 7,000, & injuring over 17,000...with the
carnage set to increase as food, fuel, & water run out.

But I know this it's a fundamental religious belief to
support God's Chosen People, no matter what human
rights they violate...because Muslims are beneath them.

Don't be evil by defending evil.

Again, when you have no logical statement because you ignore the thousands upon thousands of missiles launched against innocent civilians in Israel; when you show no empathy for the Palestinians who under the dictatorship of Hamas continue to suffer; when you are silent about the billions spend on munitions and underground tunnels instead of food, medicines and helps while ignoring the plight of true Palestinians who seek jobs in Israel to help support their families...

You have, in fact, become a supporter of those who terrorize IMV

 

[Revoltingest]

In Donbas there are....

...things not germane to this thread.

 

[Revoltingest]

And thus, again, you give it a hew of anti-semitism.

There you go again.
When reason fails, resort to the ad hominem.

What you have said is not a criticism but rather a justification for the killing of the innocent.

Reading comprehension shouldn't be that difficult.

I am now no longer surprised that you have no criticism of the innocent burned, killed, tortured and mutilated in Israel.

You've missed my posts about it.
But I see your trick....
To criticize Israel for perpetrating evil, you cannot directly
argued against anything so obvious & evidenced.
So again, it's back to the ad hominem, ie, change the topic,
& criticize for something you claim wasn't said.
It's not very Christian.
Oh, wait....it is very Christian.

Again, when you have no logical statement because you ignore the thousands upon thousands of missiles launched against innocent civilians in Israel; when you show no empathy for the Palestinians who under the dictatorship of Hamas continue to suffer; when you are silent about the billions spend on munitions and underground tunnels instead of food, medicines and helps while ignoring the plight of true Palestinians who seek jobs in Israel to help support their families...

You have, in fact, become a supporter of those who terrorize IMV

You're tacitly (if not outright) claiming that Israel's decades
of social oppression, economic oppression, home destruction,
group punishment, torture, murder, bombing, etc, etc
are justified because "missiles".

About empathy. I don't show it because I don't do it.
Empathy is dangerous because it gets focused on some
people (one's tribe), but not on others, who are then
dismissed as not mattering. Christians & Jews are filled
with empathy for Israel, but not the demonized
Palestinians.
I look at justice with cold uncaring eyes. It's simple...
Israel is the big power in the region. It oppresses &
brutalizes Palestinians, keeping them down. This
inevitably triggers a violent backlash. Israel is fully
responsible for what it caused, & the evil it now
perpetrates.

 

[Estro Felino]

...things not germane to this thread.

You brought up Putin.

 

[Revoltingest]

You brought up Putin.

Observant you are.

 

[Bthoth]

What?

All three are of the same tree of the torah, genesis, commandments framework

 

[Kenny]

There you go again.
When reason fails, resort to the ad hominem.

Reading comprehension shouldn't be that difficult.


You've missed my posts about it.
But I see your trick....
To criticize Israel for perpetrating evil, you cannot directly
argued against anything so obvious & evidenced.
So again, it's back to the ad hominem, ie, change the topic,
& criticize for something you claim wasn't said.
It's not very Christian.
Oh, wait....it is very Christian.


You're tacitly (if not outright) claiming that Israel's decades
of social oppression, economic oppression, home destruction,
group punishment, torture, murder, bombing, etc, etc
are justified because "missiles".

About empathy. I don't show it because I don't do it.
Empathy is dangerous because it gets focused on some
people (one's tribe), but not on others, who are then
dismissed as not mattering. Christians & Jews are filled
with empathy for Israel, but not the demonized
Palestinians.
I look at justice with cold uncaring eyes. It's simple...
Israel is the big power in the region. It oppresses &
brutalizes Palestinians, keeping them down. This
inevitably triggers a violent backlash. Israel is fully
responsible for what it caused, & the evil it now
perpetrates.

You keep digging a deeper hole:

2,600 missiles fired at Israel from March 2018 - December 2019.

YUP!! It’s Israel fault. NOT.

Please engage brain before typing.

2,600 Rockets Have Been Fired at Israel Since March, 2018. This Is How Israel Stops Them.

Technology and hard work.

nationalinterest.org

Your posts, IMO, really do give a hew of anti-semitism.

 

[sun rise]

You keep digging a deeper hole:

2,600 missiles fired at Israel from March 2018 - December 2019.

YUP!! It’s Israel fault. NOT.

I've been not posting in this thread because the title is absolutist and because there's a shade of grey that is hard. And that is both sides have done bad things but one side, Iran/Hamas is much worse. I started a thread about the history of the region which goes back at least to the early 1900's and scripturally goes back much much further in the Bible and in the Quran (and Islamic history).

Hamas boasts about murdering babies, raping women and so forth and that makes them much worse. The fact that I, a Jew, want to see them eliminated for their horrible deeds to does not mean that I don't care about the suffering of the Palestinians. And my support for getting rid of Hamas does not mean I support Israelis who would commit atrocities and treat their neighbors as lesser human being. This is not an either/or choice as some would make it.

May God grant that soon one will say "Peace be unto you" to the other and the other reply "upon you, Peace". The very fact that is common to Jew and Muslim lays bare what is truly needed.

 

[Orbit]

You keep digging a deeper hole:

2,600 missiles fired at Israel from March 2018 - December 2019.

YUP!! It’s Israel fault. NOT.

Please engage brain before typing.

2,600 Rockets Have Been Fired at Israel Since March, 2018. This Is How Israel Stops Them.

Technology and hard work.

nationalinterest.org

Your posts, IMO, really do give a hew of anti-semitism.

You need to look at this, census data of deaths on both sides since 2008. Click on the tabs at the top to go between Israeli and Palestinian fatalities. I think you will find the death count is overwhelmingly Palestinian. And yes, terrorist attacks are wrong, but to understand what's going on you need to get the history right.

United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory | Data on casualties

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www.ochaopt.org

 

[Orbit]

Also, this doesn't seem to be reported by American media, but it is being reported by Arab media:

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/10/28/Hamas-demands-Israel-free-all-Palestinian-prisoners-in-exchange-for-hostages