An Issue Of Valuing The Lives Of Others

[Father Heathen]

You keep digging a deeper hole:

2,600 missiles fired at Israel from March 2018 - December 2019.

YUP!! It’s Israel fault. NOT.

Please engage brain before typing.

2,600 Rockets Have Been Fired at Israel Since March, 2018. This Is How Israel Stops Them.

Technology and hard work.

nationalinterest.org

Your posts, IMO, really do give a hew of anti-semitism.

So one can't oppose the murder of children without hating Jews?

 

[Quetzal]

So one can't oppose the murder of children without hating Jews?

Its a pretty common tactic for Israeli apologists to claim such a thing when they are cornered with ideas they dislike.

 

[Revoltingest]

You keep digging a deeper hole:

No, it's just that we've no common ground.

 

[Lyndon]

So one can't oppose the murder of children without hating Jews?

That's right, you can't even criticize the murder of 3500 children by Jews without being anti semetic

 

[Revoltingest]

So one can't oppose the murder of children without hating Jews?

Support for Israel's brutal policies is beginning to crack.
Apologists will become hoarse calling so many people "anti-semitic"

Biden’s Youth-Voter Problem Is Getting Worse

Something is clearly awry between the president and the kids.

slate.com

Can Young Voters Make Palestinian Rights a Major Issue?

Most Americans under 30 now feel sympathetic toward the Palestinian cause. But getting progressive politicians to support Palestine continues to be difficult.

www.thenation.com

‘How can I vote for Biden?’ Arab Americans in Michigan ‘betrayed’ by Israel support

Arab American voters proved crucial to president’s 2020 win of the swing state, but many say they cannot back him again

www.theguardian.com

 

[Shaul]

There are plenty of critiques of Israel and its actions. Indeed Israel is routinely singled out and held to much higher standards than other countries. For example you mentioned Israel's "massive bombing campaign". Under international law a nation has a right to respond to attacks. That is what Israel is doing. Yet you don't criticize other countries that are bombing. For example the U.S. just bombed a city in Iraq, the Ukraine bombed Russian held cities in the Ukraine, and Russia has bombed Ukrainian cities.

 

[Revoltingest]

There are plenty of critiques of Israel and its actions. Indeed Israel is routinely singled out and held to much higher standards than other countries. For example you mentioned Israel's "massive bombing campaign". Under international law a nation has a right to respond to attacks. That is what Israel is doing. Yet you don't criticize other countries that are bombing. For example the U.S. just bombed a city in Iraq, the Ukraine bombed Russian held cities in the Ukraine, and Russia has bombed Ukrainian cities.

Whataboutism doesn't justify 7 decades of oppressing
Palestinians, & the latest round of death & destruction
in Gaza. Israel has already killed thousands of Palestinian
children...more than Israelis killed or kidnapped by Hamas.

 

[Father Heathen]

There are plenty of critiques of Israel and its actions. Indeed Israel is routinely singled out and held to much higher standards than other countries. For example you mentioned Israel's "massive bombing campaign". Under international law a nation has a right to respond to attacks. That is what Israel is doing. Yet you don't criticize other countries that are bombing. For example the U.S. just bombed a city in Iraq, the Ukraine bombed Russian held cities in the Ukraine, and Russia has bombed Ukrainian cities.

Deliberately targeting and killing civilians is a heinous injustice regardless of who does it. It's also not made excusable by any of the aforementioned discrepancies (which are disputable).

 

[We Never Know]

Deliberately targeting and killing civilians is a heinous injustice regardless of who does it. It's also not made excusable by any of the aforementioned discrepancies (which are disputable).

Why do you all act like this is the only war that this has happened in?
Its not acceptable in any war but it happens in most every war.

 

[Father Heathen]

Why do you all act like this is the only war that this has happened in?
Its not acceptable in any war but it happens in most every war.

Oh, have I?
It's a current event that's prominent in the news. You can start a thread on any conflict you feel has been overlooked and I'll give you some input.

 

[Shaul]

Whataboutism doesn't justify 7 decades of oppressing
Palestinians, & the latest round of death & destruction
in Gaza. Israel has already killed thousands of Palestinian
children...more than Israelis killed or kidnapped by Hamas.

But it isn't "whataboutism". Israel is being singled out and being held to a higher, unjustified standard.

 

[Shaul]

Deliberately targeting and killing civilians is a heinous injustice regardless of who does it. It's also not made excusable by any of the aforementioned discrepancies (which are disputable).

Israel isn't doing what you described. But Hamas did.

 

[We Never Know]

Oh, have I?
It's a current event that's prominent in the news. You can start a thread on any conflict you feel has been overlooked and I'll give you some input.

The coward Hamas is hiding behind civilians and does a surprise attack on Israel killing over 1700 right off the bat.
Israel strikes back and ends up killing more and Israel is the bad guy?

Is there a rule in war that says only kill what you have lost?
Or don't fight the enemy if they are hiding among civillians, just set and let them keep bombing you?

Israel is defending itself. I do not believe their intent is to kill innocent civillians but with Hamas striking from the civillians they are hiding behind, there will be high numbers of innocent casualties from the war.

What do you propose?

 

[Father Heathen]

Israel isn't doing what you described.

‘So world knows’: Gaza parents mark children’s names on bodies amid bombing

Families are writing their children’s names on their bodies so they can be identified after Israeli raids.

www.aljazeera.com

But Hamas did.

Yes, and the same condemnation extends to them as well.

 

[We Never Know]

In the news, our leaders express concern for Israelis
killed & kidnapped, but are largely silent regarding
the far greater number of Palestinians killed by
Israel's massive bombing campaign, & embargo
on water, energy, & freedom to move...killing &
maiming thousands of non-combatants whose
only crime is being where Israel keeps them.

Democrats' divisions on Israel-Hamas war boil over in Michigan as Detroit-area Muslims feel betrayed

Many top Michigan Democrats, including Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, took part in a huge pro-Israel rally near Detroit after Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on the country.

apnews.com

In USA there are sanctions imposed on people
who show support for Palestinians. Israel's
sway over Christians is creating a deadly new
McCarthyism.

After Writing an Anti-Israel Letter, Harvard Students Are Doxxed

A truck with a billboard displayed their names and photos, and critics put out do-not-hire lists. The students say it’s a campaign to shut them up.

www.nytimes.com

Battle against hate: Violence, bigotry toward Palestinian Americans spiking across US

Palestinian and Muslim Americans say discrimination against their communities has risen since the start of the Israel-Hamas war.

www.usatoday.com

The Mounting Onslaught of Censorship and Suppression

"A failure to stop this new McCarthyism would be to surrender to the forces of reaction that tragically are carrying the day."

inthesetimes.com

We should not tolerate the evil of state terrorism,
even when committed by a nominal ally. USA's
voters & leaders must reckon with their subversion
of their own values.

Disclaimer...
This post is about general trends in groups,
not about every single individual, who might
differ from their tribe.

"Muslims really are lesser humans per USA, etc etc."

So are Native Americans, Afro-Americans, Mexicans, immigrants flocking here from others countries across the southern border, etc..

Whats new?

 

[sun rise]

Indeed Israel is routinely singled out and held to much higher standards than other countries.

You're right that much worse situations are ignored. A recent Salon article pointed this out. I refuse to give the genocidal Iran/Hamas a free pass where they can murder babies and rape women and then stop Israel from taking them out. The loss of civilian life is automatically a tragedy but to let them get away with it means that they'll be back sooner or later with even more babies murdered and women raped.

Over 5,000 dead. 12,000 wounded. Millions forcibly displaced. Tragic figures from Gaza? Think again: Those are the casualty figures after six months of fighting in Sudan

Yemen, the country with coasts on both the Red and Arabian seas, including the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait between Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea? What is happening in that incredibly strategic part of the world? How about nearly 400,000 killed, with 11,000 of them children, nearly 60 percent of the deaths from hunger, lack of healthcare and safe water. According to the U.N., 4.5 million Yemenis – one in seven of the country’s population – have been displaced...

In the Southeast Asian nation of Myanmar, there has been a civil war going on since a military coup d’etat in 2021. According to Sky News, more than 6,000 civilians have been killed, with more than 3,000 of those deaths coming in the last 12 months. The U.N. Office for Coordination of Humanitarian affairs reported that more than 1.6 million people have been internally displaced

Since Russia launched its illegal attack on Ukraine in February of 2022, nearly 10,000 civilians have been killed, according to the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner of Human Rights. Nearly 18,000 civilians have been wounded. The Pentagon estimates that as many as 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed, and somewhere between 100,000 and 120,000 have been wounded. The U.S. estimates that more than 120,000 Russian troops have been killed since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine,

You think the civilian death tolls in Israel and Gaza and Ukraine and Sudan are bad? The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that in 2021, the last year for which complete national figures are available, 48,830 Americans died from firearm violence (homicide) or suicide. The authoritative Gun Violence Archive reports that last year, 20,138 Americans were killed by firearms in a homicide.

 

[Kenny]

Son of Hamas Leader Turned Christian Exposes Group’s Goal of Muslim Domination

In a recent interview, the son of Hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef turned professing Christian outlined that the Middle East Muslim terrorist group isn't out just to destroy Israel, but to build a global Islamic state. Mosab Hassan Yousef was a guest on CNN last Thursday, and exposed the agenda...

christiannews.net

Son Hamas tells the truth

“In the mosques, Hamas told us that without shedding innocent blood for the sake of the ideology, we won’t be able to build an Islamic state,” he said. “They were preparing us from … as young as five years old.”

 

[Revoltingest]

But it isn't "whataboutism". Israel is being singled out and being held to a higher, unjustified standard.

Not a higher standard.
The standard standard should apply.

 

[Stevicus]

Your posts, IMO, really do give a hew of anti-semitism.

I think public opinion and perceptions of Israel have changed a great deal over the past 50 years. I recall when Vanessa Redgrave gave comments about Israel at an Academy Awards presentation many years ago, and was roundly booed and raked over the coals as an anti-Semite. It used to be that anyone who sneezed in Israel's direction was accused of antisemitism, but such perceptions have changed a great deal over the years.

 

[Shaul]

‘So world knows’: Gaza parents mark children’s names on bodies amid bombing

Families are writing their children’s names on their bodies so they can be identified after Israeli raids.

www.aljazeera.com

Yes, and the same condemnation extends to them as well.

Where is the reporting on the civilian casualties of the Ukrainian-Russian war? Is "Palestinian" blood redder than Ukrainian?