An Issue Of Valuing The Lives Of Others

[Kenny]

Part way thru your post, inspiration to
address the inhumanity of it evaporated.
We've no common ground for discussion.
We tried. We failed.

When you say “inhumanity” - the root word is “humanity”. When you only address Palestinians at the expense of Israelis, it is no longer “common” ground… it is biased ground

 

[Kenny]

I think we're all failing, to some extent.

I would love to post "what I think should be done," but I don't know what should be done. I don't think anybody does, so we all take sides and strike attitudes based on our personal biases.

Could we agree, for example, that those who can be proved to be members of Hamas should be tried for war crimes? I mean, many nations already recognize that they are a terrorist organization -- and I think that was demonstrated on October 7 in Israel, and is still being demonstrated as they hide among civilian Palestinians.

My suspicion, right now, is that Israel is going to stay in Gaza, and try to root out Hamas. I think that they will stay after they've done that (to the extent they can), and once done, I can hope that they'll try to help the Gaza Palestinians to try to regroup. But if they do that, I don't see a way for them to leave, which means probably abandoning a two-state solution and moving towards making the Gazans into "Israeli citizens," with the vote and all the priveleges and duties that come with that. There are, after all, already many Palestinian citizens of Israel in Israel.

Further than that, my imagination fails. But don't some of the rest of you have any positive suggestions for how these seemingly-implacable enemies can move forward?

You have some good points here.

It would be great to bring the members of Hamas to trial for war crimes. I suppose the difficulty would be to be able to get them alive. I don’t see much chance of that. Too many opportunities to escape to Hamas-supporting countries like Iran or too many opportunities to die in the war. I don’t see them giving themselves up.

I also believe they will stay for the duration to root out Hamas and destroy the tunnels.

Will they stay? Good question. Will there be a two-state after this? Another good question. We can only hope for the best.

What I find interesting is that from the start, when the UN passed a resolution (181) for a two state solution, it was rejected by the Arabs. I wonder if that sentiment still prevails.

 

[Revoltingest]

When you say...

Nah, nothing to respond to.

 

[Kenny]

Nah, nothing to respond to.

I don’t doubt that… You have given us your standard.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don’t doubt that… You have given us your standard.

I'm playing chess with a pigeon.

 

[Estro Felino]

What I find interesting is that from the start, when the UN passed a resolution (181) for a two state solution, it was rejected by the Arabs. I wonder if that sentiment still prevails.

That's the smoking gun.
Israel is for a two state solution.

Unfortunately most Arabs, driven by fundamentalist countries want it all.
They want all the land.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's the smoking gun.
Israel is for a two state solution.

Unfortunately most Arabs, driven by fundamentalist countries want it all.
They want all the land.

If you want to justify Israel's oppression of & war upon Palestinians
by finding fault with Arabs, you've plenty of ammunition.
But this is inhuman bigotry.
And worse, it will continue & even escalate the violence.

Think of how to solve the problem.
Not how to perpetuate it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Think of how to solve the problem.
Not how to perpetuate it.

A different world is possible.
Where Palestinians and Israel live in the same land, love each other and respect each other.
And cooperate for the preservation of dialogue between Middle East and West.

This is my solution.
Both parties have to want it.

It doesn't depend on me.

This is my wish, my free will. Peace.

 

[Revoltingest]

A different world is possible.
Where Palestinians and Israel live in the same land, love each other and respect each other.
And cooperate for the preservation of dialogue between Middle East and West.

This is my solution.
Both parties have to want it.

It doesn't depend on me.

This is my wish, my free will. Peace.

What do you see as the path to that peace?

 

[Estro Felino]

What do you see as the path to that peace?

I have just said it.
Two states that coexist in the same lands peacefully and respectfully.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have just said it.
Two states that coexist in the same lands peacefully and respectfully.

That's a goal, not a process leading to the goal.
What would you have governments currently
involved in the conflict do differently?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm playing chess with a pigeon.

That should up your chances for a win, at least slightly.

 

[Revoltingest]

That should up your chances for a win, at least slightly.

I've not played in decades.
But I do have disinfectants to clean his poop off the board.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's a goal, not a process leading to the goal.
What would you have governments currently
involved in the conflict do differently?

For example, I would kindly ask the United States not to roll red carpets at the fundamentalist countries of the Gulf.
They are the ones harboring terrorists and fundamentalists.

 

[Revoltingest]

For example, I would kindly ask the United States not to roll red carpets at the fundamentalist countries of the Gulf.
They are the ones harboring terrorists and fundamentalists.

It seems that more is needed.

 

[Estro Felino]

It seems that more is needed.

Promoting peace.
Dialogue.
International Cooperation.
Diplomacy.

That's the more needed.

 

[Revoltingest]

Promoting peace.
Dialogue.
International Cooperation.
Diplomacy.

That's the more needed.

Anything specific regarding Israel's treatment
of Palestinians, & the war in Gaza?

 

[Bthoth]

That's a goal, not a process leading to the goal.
What would you have governments currently
involved in the conflict do differently?

STOP sending israel weapons...........immediately!

Send them a bunch of psychologist to undo the mess of believing themselves to be superior.

 

[Revoltingest]

STOP sending israel weapons...........immediately!

I agree.
Threaten to end financial & military
support if they continue this evil path.
This would get their attention.

Send them a bunch of psychologist to undo the mess of believing themselves to be superior.

That will only work if they want to change.
Israel will have to be forced somehow to
obey international law, & end the oppression.

 

[Kenny]

I'm playing chess with a pigeon.

I’m sure the pigeon is winning