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An Open Letter to RF

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

Well-Known Member
Always im case of mental illness you need a faithful friend.

Friendship is some unity between you as a decisionmaker, and someone else as a decisionmaker. This unity creates a third decision making unity, the frienfship.

The friendship can choose to do things, like go to a movie, or have a talk.

The meaning is in the friendship itself the spirit of it which chooses. What the friendship chooses can be quite spontaneous and arbitrary.

It's a matter of opinion what the spirit is in a friendship. An opinion is arrived at by choosing. One needs to be careful in making opinion on the friendship.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Please get help, and stay. And you could have given me a sympathy "Oh. I'd miss Wirey" you know! I may be pure evil, but I have feeling! Evil feelings, but still.
It's true!
I have proof in the form of a real life pic of Wirey....
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Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Dear RF,

In the last few months, I have thought about leaving this place more than once. I have been dealing with health issues, struggles with school, financial issues, social isolation, and extremely negative thoughts that almost ended my life for the last two and a half years. Things have worsened since then, with very little indication of improvement. I have thought about writing a thank-you note to RF and leaving this place to act on the thoughts I have had for a while. Every time I think of doing so, I remember that there are people here who would be affected by that, and I reconsider my thoughts.

At the moment, there are only three people who are friends with me here that I don't have a way to communicate with outside RF. They are the sole reason I have been here this long and haven't left yet. They are @Penumbra, @4consideration, and @Jayhawker Soule. I can communicate with everyone else who I'm friends with here via email or Facebook.

I'm still not sure if I will carry on with the thoughts I have, nor do I know if I will be able to withstand this pressure for much longer. Every day I see less and less reason to believe that things will get better, especially since so much time has passed without any improvement whatsoever.

If I suddenly leave the forum, now you know what will be the reason. If I someday make a thank-you post and leave RF, you will also know where I have gone.

Sincerely,

Debater Slayer
Salam DS
that's very sad , I hope it's gonna ok, I hope RF friends will help and support more, because you desever .

but praying God and trusting in Him, and accepting His decisions is best and easy solution

God help you brother :)
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Salam DS
that's very sad , I hope it's gonna ok, I hope RF friends will help and support more, because you desever .

but praying God and trusting in Him, and accepting His decisions is best and easy solution

God help you brother :)

Thanks, but I have no need or use for prayer. I don't believe in any gods either, so praying doesn't mean anything to me.

I appreciate the sentiment though.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
It isn't about prayer.

It isn't about hoping that things will become better.

It is a realization that no matter how bad things are now (and I'm not saying they aren't bad -- steer clear of people who try to tell you that your life is better than you perceive it...they are telling you not to trust yourself) you are a member of many communities and these communities are composed of people who count on you for who you are right now and what you have brought to the experience, and what they expect you will continue to bring.

You aren't alone, and I don't just mean this in the sense that other people suffer. What I mean is that there are people here who want to pick you up when you are down because you have done the same for them, even if you didn't know it. Don't deprive other people of the resource that you are. When they need you, you have to be there for them.

Each of us has an impact on others with our without our intent or awareness. We are pebbles in a pond and our ripples move well beyond what we know and can control. People need us even when they don't ask for our help. Our presence is often what matters most. To take that away means to hurt others and I don't think that, no matter your personal struggles, you want to hurt others.
 

Typist

Active Member
In the last few months, I have thought about leaving this place more than once. I have been dealing with health issues, struggles with school, financial issues, social isolation, and extremely negative thoughts that almost ended my life for the last two and a half years. Things have worsened since then, with very little indication of improvement.

What would you be willing to do to obtain improvement? The point of this question is to explore (within yourself) the scale of effort, activity and change you would be willing to consider to address the problem. If your life is truly on the line, is there anything within your power that should be off the table?

I don't know about the health issues, as you've not mentioned what they are. But it seems struggles with school, financial issues, social isolation and negative thoughts can all be substantially impacted for the better with actions that would seem to be within your reach.

These are rhetorical questions for your own possible private consideration, I'm not requesting an answer.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
What would you be willing to do to obtain improvement? The point of this question is to explore (within yourself) the scale of effort, activity and change you would be willing to consider to address the problem. If your life is truly on the line, is there anything within your power that should be off the table?

I don't know about the health issues, as you've not mentioned what they are. But it seems struggles with school, financial issues, social isolation and negative thoughts can all be substantially impacted for the better with actions that would seem to be within your reach.

These are rhetorical questions for your own possible private consideration, I'm not requesting an answer.

About the social isolation, the reason for that is that I'm an atheist in a predominantly conservative society where it's unsafe for atheists to be open about their lack of belief. If you think there's something within my reach to change that, by all means feel free to explain what it is. It's not like I want things to remain as they are, but there are things that are outside everyone's control.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
About the social isolation, the reason for that is that I'm an atheist in a predominantly conservative society where it's unsafe for atheists to be open about their lack of belief. If you think there's something within my reach to change that, by all means feel free to explain what it is. It's not like I want things to remain as they are, but there are things that are outside everyone's control.

Not to mention, as an atheist feminist in your region.

Stay safe, hon. I'm sending you love and light in my waking hours.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
About the social isolation, the reason for that is that I'm an atheist in a predominantly conservative society where it's unsafe for atheists to be open about their lack of belief. If you think there's something within my reach to change that, by all means feel free to explain what it is. It's not like I want things to remain as they are, but there are things that are outside everyone's control.
One thing you might be able to do if you've not already done so is to search for atheist organizations in your area. I don't know where you live but for example a search on atheist organizations in south carolina found many.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
One thing you might be able to do if you've not already done so is to search for atheist organizations in your area. I don't know where you live but for example a search on atheist organizations in south carolina found many.

You don't know the Middle East well, do you? :D I don't blame you at all, though.

Joining an atheist organization would be like asking for one's safety to be put at a huge risk, let alone starting such an organization. It is also practically illegal, so the situation in the Middle East is incomparable to that of the U.S.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
You don't know the Middle East well, do you? :D I don't blame you at all, though.

Joining an atheist organization would be like asking for one's safety to be put at a huge risk, let alone starting such an organization. It is also practically illegal, so the situation in the Middle East is incomparable to that of the U.S.
I'm so sorry, I did not know you were in such a horrible place. The Middle East is the worst place in the world for most people: atheists, Jews, Christians, the wrong kind of Muslim, even the right kind of Muslim with the wrong theology and for that matter innocent believers who just want to be left alone. The level of fanaticism there is unbelievable and tragic.

All I can offer is my wish that you stay safe and hope that you can get out of that environment into a better nation soon.
 

Typist

Active Member
If you think there's something within my reach to change that, by all means feel free to explain what it is. It's not like I want things to remain as they are, but there are things that are outside everyone's control.

When I read your post, this came to mind, in regards to anybody's situation.

If suicide is not really on the table, then life is complicated. In all our lives there are all kinds of factors which must be considered and balanced against each other. Family, health, location, education, finances, personality and preferences etc. You mentioned school, so I'm guessing you may be in your twenties, which if true is a particularly challenging era of our lives, as big decisions have to be made upon a very small base of experience.

If suicide is not really on the table, then I don't have much to contribute here. I struggled mightily to figure all this out in my twenties (it took me eight years to get through college and upon graduation I decided to become a house painter), and I don't know you at all, so the best I can probably do is wish you luck in finding your way to 30 and beyond. The one thing I can say is that the odds are great that things will change for the better as you proceed through life.

If suicide is on the table, then the equation becomes radically simpler.

The only issue you've mentioned which can't be substantially improved with decisive action are perhaps your health problems, depending upon their nature.

Still want more?
 

Wirey

Fartist

Is not. You are far too good to be thrown away. The world is filled with moronic butt weasels who's only purpose is to make us all feel terrible, and the only antidote to that is to have people like you around. Please, call a doctor and get some help. There is way too much good stuff on earth for anyone to ever want to leave. Have you ever tried sex? Or vodka? Or sex with someone who's full of vodka? It's fantastic!
 

Typist

Active Member

Ok, that's key information, imho.

Here's an experiment to illustrate how simple the equation has become. Hold your breath. As your air begins to run out a minute or so from now, what will be on the table? Everything. Anything that has to be done to get that next breath. Anything at all, right now.

That's your current situation. In this potentially lethal situation, the only rational action is to do whatever is necessary to address and overcome the threat right now. Nothing else matters.

Some part of your depression probably isn't arising from external situations. All of us deal with depression on some level at some time, it's just the human condition. Winning the lottery and moving to a beach house in Hawaii won't fix that part. This part of human existence is sort of a life long maintenance job which must be accepted as the price tag for being alive, just like eating and sleeping is a non-negotiable price tag.

That said, some external circumstances are more conducive to mental health than others, and these are things we can grasp with both hands and change.

If you're being overwhelmed by having bit off more than you can chew, it's time to start tossing things overboard so your ship does not run aground. If you need to take a break from school, take a break. If you need to get a job to sort out the finances, get a job. If you need to be somewhere else, around people more like you, go there now.

Our bodies and minds are not two different things, but one. Thus, we can go a long way in improving our mental situation simply by getting serious about feeling better physically. Take every reasonable action you can to make your body feel better. Do it like your life depends on it, because it might.

I'm probably three times older than you. From that larger perspective please allow me to share that it can be easy to get wound up in the bubble of a particular situation and lose track emotionally of all the other things we could be doing. It's happened to me a number of times.

When we're in the middle of some situation we can feel that if this doesn't work out we're screwed. But that's pretty much never true. There's always another way, another situation, a different road which can be taken.

As example, I struggled emotionally for years with some business failures. I had my mind stuck on a particular thing, couldn't make it work, and couldn't let it go. And then one day I'm shopping in Home Depot and it dawns on me, the worst that's gonna happen is I wind up working there, not such a bad outcome at all. I was stuck in a bubble, that's all.

Here's your homework. :) Hold your breath once every day. Feel the will to live, and find the urgency to take the next breath. Whatever needs fixing, get on with fixing it.

Good luck!
 

Mequa

Neo-Epicurean
Been there.

You're worth too much, DS. Many of the finest people hit rock bottom.

From someone who has also hit rock bottom: There are too many things to live for, however hopeless things may seem at the moment.
From what I have seen, the world would be very much impoverished by your absence.

More important though is your own life. Happiness and contentment need not elude you forever. Wisdom comes through profound suffering. Knowing yourself better can lead to a more joyful tomorrow, however bleak today may seem.

On your feet, soldier.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The one thing I can say is that the odds are great that things will change for the better as you proceed through life.
That's what a lot of people say. But, realistically, for many things never do get better.
 
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