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An Open Letter to RF

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
DS, I haven't posted a follow up for a while because I've been thinking of something. It occurs to me that by living you are changing your world. It might not look like it but who knows - the couple of people you've told might find someone else in your situation - perhaps a friend.

And your problem exists all over the world. Your experience is a lot different than the one I'm about to share, but there's a common emotional element. The more we become aware of the real problems you face and the real problems others face, the more things start changing. The change is of course way too slow but it does happen.

This is the piece that caused me to think of you. I highlighted the clause that brought you directly into my mind. Your circumstances are vastly different but reading this gives me the sense you are emotional sisters. We can't change your situation and we can't change hers. But we can be here. We can listen. We can understand. And I know that what John Donne wrote is true:

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

Part of the article:

It is always a reminder that I am a target, and my brother doubly so. It is a warning that blacks are guilty by nature, that we are born waiting to die, and that, if we make it to end without an officer’s bullet (or six, or 41) inside of us, then we are lucky. It has nothing to do with who we are, whether or not we sag our pants, what we do for a living, if we have ever committed a crime or if we have never once touched a gun. Increasingly, it seems, remaining alive only has to do with luck. Increasingly, I am learning, remaining alive while black is a radical act.

But more than anything, it’s getting so exhausting to be black: To spend all day on edge, obsessively reading the news and the hashtags and the DOJ reports and making myself feel worse and worse about the color of my skin. Opting to walk a few extra blocks to the second-closest subway station from my job because I spotted officers patrolling the first’s entrance and my heart races nervously whenever my eyes land on their guns. To stand, embarrassed, at the front of a drugstore while a white employee empties out my backpack because I spent too long in the nail polish aisle but didn’t purchase anything; to be accused of stealing because I’m black and the store didn’t have the shade of purple that I wanted.
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I am no stranger to feeling sad, to being inconsolable, to viewing the act of getting out of bed as an impossible feat. Yet this is much bigger: this is a constant war of needing to do something but feeling too defeated to even think. It’s depression through anger, all of my outward hostility about systematic police brutality sometimes turned inward at myself for not being able to change things. All of this forcing my body to shut down mentally and physically, to spend too many hours curled up in bed trying to make myself as small as possible — as small as the world views me — and cry myself raw about feeling helpless, and to know that there’s power in simply being black and alive and confident but sometimes being too stuck to even do just that.
 
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Sakeenah

Well-Known Member
Dear RF,

In the last few months, I have thought about leaving this place more than once. I have been dealing with health issues, struggles with school, financial issues, social isolation, and extremely negative thoughts that almost ended my life for the last two and a half years. Things have worsened since then, with very little indication of improvement. I have thought about writing a thank-you note to RF and leaving this place to act on the thoughts I have had for a while. Every time I think of doing so, I remember that there are people here who would be affected by that, and I reconsider my thoughts.

At the moment, there are only three people who are friends with me here that I don't have a way to communicate with outside RF. They are the sole reason I have been here this long and haven't left yet. They are @Penumbra, @4consideration, and @Jayhawker Soule. I can communicate with everyone else who I'm friends with here via email or Facebook.

I'm still not sure if I will carry on with the thoughts I have, nor do I know if I will be able to withstand this pressure for much longer. Every day I see less and less reason to believe that things will get better, especially since so much time has passed without any improvement whatsoever.

If I suddenly leave the forum, now you know what will be the reason. If I someday make a thank-you post and leave RF, you will also know where I have gone.

Sincerely,

Debater Slayer

Hi DS..I hope you'll find peace and hapiness..and I can see you are truly loved here on RF..hope things get better soon.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
DS, take what I say with a grain of salt, but would it be accurate to say that you mostly feel a lack of personal acknowledgement? Of permission to just be yourself without spending considerable effort at meeting the expectations of those around you?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
DS, take what I say with a grain of salt, but would it be accurate to say that you mostly feel a lack of personal acknowledgement? Of permission to just be yourself without spending considerable effort at meeting the expectations of those around you?

That's part of it, yes, but not all. As I mentioned in the OP, there are a lot of simultaneous problems that I have to deal with right now.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I have to admit that non-existence still feels like a quick, guaranteed way out of all of the problems I'm dealing with at the moment. No one has been able to convince me otherwise, including therapists. It's mainly that nothing else has worked. Maybe it's time for me to take care of this myself.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Persevere. A quick fix is almost never optimal. If you leave everything behind you will not only deprive yourself of future happiness, but also other people. From your writings here I can see you have good heart and it would be a loss to many more people than you might think.

A friend of mine committed suicide because he thought he would never become a pilot. If he had waited a few more years, he would have known that there were more things to life than being a pilot. It's true that it was not the only problem in his life, but he was so young that he didn't know any better.

You too are young. Smart beyond your years, but experience will soften some of the anguish you feel. Nobody said it's easy being smart or kind.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I have to admit that non-existence still feels like a quick, guaranteed way out of all of the problems I'm dealing with at the moment. No one has been able to convince me otherwise, including therapists. It's mainly that nothing else has worked. Maybe it's time for me to take care of this myself.

Life can be tough at times, but there is a balance. Of that I'm sure, if nothing else I'm sure of. I think that the problems you're dealing with, will eventually be solved or they will just go away. Time doesn't always heal all wounds, but it can give us clarity. I'm thinking of you, and when we chat in PM, I feel like you are someone I can trust. (I don't trust easily lol) :p

Hugs and know we are thinking of you here. :heart:
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I wish we lived closer, Debate Slayer. We would hang out...and go shopping...and then have pizza...and chat all day about nothingness. I could tell you about all of my dating woes. Doesn't that sound fun? :p
**glomp**
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
I have to admit that non-existence still feels like a quick, guaranteed way out of all of the problems I'm dealing with at the moment. No one has been able to convince me otherwise, including therapists. It's mainly that nothing else has worked. Maybe it's time for me to take care of this myself.
Only one thing ever works - time. It changes all things. End yourself and the one solution is forever lost to you.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Some people keep telling me that people around me would be devastated, that those around me would miss me, etc. The fact of the matter is that I'm not close to most people around me due to the issue I mentioned about my beliefs' being frowned upon by most people here and hence my having to hide most of them. If I did commit suicide, most people around me would probably just feel sad for a little while and then return to their everyday lives as if nothing happened. I don't think the impact if I committed suicide would be as big as some people tell me it would be.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Some people keep telling me that people around me would be devastated, that those around me would miss me, etc. The fact of the matter is that I'm not close to most people around me due to the issue I mentioned about my beliefs' being frowned upon by most people here and hence my having to hide most of them. If I did commit suicide, most people around me would probably just feel sad for a little while and then return to their everyday lives as if nothing happened. I don't think the impact if I committed suicide would be as big as some people tell me it would be.
The impact is that all that is you is lost, a unique incarnation of a self aware being is a precious thing. You may not see your value right now, but what we can not see would fill worlds.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Only one thing ever works - time. It changes all things. End yourself and the one solution is forever lost to you.

Regarding this, nothing has remotely changed for the better in the last three and a half years. I have no reason to believe that things will improve with time.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Some people keep telling me that people around me would be devastated, that those around me would miss me, etc. The fact of the matter is that I'm not close to most people around me due to the issue I mentioned about my beliefs' being frowned upon by most people here and hence my having to hide most of them. If I did commit suicide, most people around me would probably just feel sad for a little while and then return to their everyday lives as if nothing happened. I don't think the impact if I committed suicide would be as big as some people tell me it would be.

Well, with my grandmother's death from earlier this year, I suffered greatly over losing her. Even though she died from old age/natural causes to an extent, I still suffered as I grieved for her. But, now I'm coping much better with the thought of never seeing her again, but that doesn't mean I still don't have moments of extreme anguish thinking about her. But, that is now mixed with moments of smiling over the memory of her. Everyone grieves in different ways. Yes, people's lives would ''go on,'' but losing you would still be tremendous for them. I've never met you in real life, and even just in this space here, you have positively impacted my life and others, too. I think we all contribute in some way, albeit small...to one another's lives. :heart:
 

Typist

Active Member
The fact of the matter is that I'm not close to most people around me due to the issue I mentioned about my beliefs' being frowned upon by most people here and hence my having to hide most of them.

This is a little prison cell of your own invention.

Ok, so you have to keep your ideological beliefs private. So what? You have the entire net for discussing your atheist beliefs. What's so important about atheist beliefs anyway?

If you are not close to those around you, it's because you chose not to be. Loving those people, feeling close to them, caring for them, looking out for them, depends on nothing and nobody but you.

You're doing something very human, something we all do in some way or another at some time or another, weaving a fantasy victim story. You have every right to do so, but if it's making you miserable perhaps the price tag is not worth it?
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
The worst, most insensitive, and downright rude thing you can say to a depressed person is to try and blame them for their own problems. One of the advancements of modern science is that we now know that depression is not caused by bad decisions but is rather related to brain chemistry, which the sufferer has no control over.
 
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