Apostates of Islam

[Gharib]

If Allah is not barbaric or cruel, then you must be mistaken that Allah wants you to kill people who leave their religion. Because that is barbaric and cruel. Is it not?

no it isn't, americans kill people for stealing money to eat some food, to live, now is that cruel and barbaric to you?

 

[BucephalusBB]

no it isn't, americans kill people for stealing money to eat some food, to live, now is that cruel and barbaric to you?

What does that have to do with it?

 

[Gharib]

What does that have to do with it?

well americans are cruel and barbaric for killing young men aged 16, 17, 18 etc. so my point was whether this is barbaric to you, or to whom i made the post, you don't have to answer this.

does this clarify things up?

 

[BucephalusBB]

well americans are cruel and barbaric for killing young men aged 16, 17, 18 etc. so my point was whether this is barbaric to you, or to whom i made the post, you don't have to answer this.

does this clarify things up?

No it doesn't. You seem to just pop up "facts" out of nothing? I have not enough info. Just saying "killing young men aged 16, 17, 18 etc." without further info.. That could be barberic yes..
But what has that to do with :
"If Allah is not barbaric or cruel, then you must be mistaken that Allah wants you to kill people who leave their religion. Because that is barbaric and cruel. Is it not?"

 

[Gharib]

No it doesn't. You seem to just pop up "facts" out of nothing? I have not enough info. Just saying "killing young men aged 16, 17, 18 etc." without further info.. That could be barberic yes..
But what has that to do with :
"If Allah is not barbaric or cruel, then you must be mistaken that Allah wants you to kill people who leave their religion. Because that is barbaric and cruel. Is it not?"

well if americans accept them selves, although they are barbaric and cruel, then why should there be a problem for me to worship a barbaric creator, but Allah is not barbaric nor cruel. he is clean of such accusations.

 

[BucephalusBB]

well if americans accept them selves, although they are barbaric and cruel, then why should there be a problem for me to worship a barbaric creator, but Allah is not barbaric nor cruel. he is clean of such accusations.

No, you just make up a barbaric "fact" and blame the americans back..
If you would give me the source of your so called fact I could read into it and tell you if I thought it was barberic or not.

This is the same nonsense as being pulled over for speeding complaining that the cops didn't chase the other guy that was speeding as well. :cover:

 

[kai]

no it isn't, americans kill people for stealing money to eat some food, to live, now is that cruel and barbaric to you?

Oh dear dear esalam you are at it again, what are you talking about? where did you get this information? why? where? how? do they kill people for stealing money to eat some food?

 

[Kodanshi]

Please note, this is a typical muslim tactic so that they can avoid debating or even thinking about something negative about their religion, especially when they would otherwise have to concoct bizarre rationalisations to explain away the inconsistencies in their god and religion.

It is known as the logical fallacy of tu quoque.

 

[Gharib]

No, you just make up a barbaric "fact" and blame the americans back..

well i'm not the one who started it. see when something that the western world doesn't like, then it has to be wrong, it must. so what i;m saying is that the west needs to take a darn good long look at itself before it can judge the others. there is a saying"he who is to be laughed at, laughs at others", and to apply this it sounds like this, the west has way more problems than anyone, and yet they are stuffing their nose in everyone elses bussines saying we are going to make the world better. now tell me just how is that ever going to happen?

if you have personal problems at home, you are in no possition to solve the same issues of another family. if i'm wrong about this, please tell me, i will reconsider.

If you would give me the source of your so called fact I could read into it and tell you if I thought it was barberic or not.

well i cannot record tv channels and post them on to here, but if you are from the US you know what i'm talking about, unless you are deliberately trying to saound as though you have never heard of such cruel acts commited in the US.

This is the same nonsense as being pulled over for speeding complaining that the cops didn't chase the other guy that was speeding as well. :cover:

there is no complain in that, the police stop him who they stop, it's like telling death to take someone elses soul too, because you both were born at the same date, month and year. that is nonsense

 

[Gharib]

Oh dear dear esalam you are at it again, what are you talking about? where did you get this information? why? where? how? do they kill people for stealing money to eat some food?

yes, they do, the TV is always right. they show real proof, and recor it too. you can't seriously say that TV stations are incorrect.

 

[Gharib]

Please note, this is a typical muslim tactic so that they can avoid debating or even thinking about something negative about their religion,

in the contrary, please ask anything you want, but if i'm lacking knowledge then you must understand that i cannot respond to you, if you are a person of understanding.

especially when they would otherwise have to concoct bizarre rationalisations to explain away the inconsistencies in their god and religion.

and what inconsistencies might they be, would you like to have a go.

It is known as the logical fallacy of tu quoque.

i don't consider my self to be that smart to avoid questions by using logic or what ever that statement means.

 

[BucephalusBB]

there is no complain in that, the police stop him who they stop, it's like telling death to take someone elses soul too, because you both were born at the same date, month and year. that is nonsense

Right, so why bring the american example while we were not discussing that at all..?

 

[Gharib]

Right, so why bring the american example while we were not discussing that at all..?

well the original question was that Allah is barbaric and cruel for tellin gus to kill apostates.

then i was asked why i worship him if he is that.

and my reply lead to the US

what part of this don't you get?

 

[BucephalusBB]

well the original question was that Allah is barbaric and cruel for tellin gus to kill apostates.

then i was asked why i worship him if he is that.

and my reply lead to the US

what part of this don't you get?

Exactly this post :cover:

You go from "Allah and kill apostates"to "america kills as well." without any link beised barbaric.

And where I tell you that can be considered as barbaric as well, you stay silent..

 

[Gharib]

Exactly this post :cover:

You go from "Allah and kill apostates"to "america kills as well." without any link beised barbaric.

And where I tell you that can be considered as barbaric as well, you stay silent..

sorry, i don't understand your post, especially that last line, is the wording wrong or i can't understand it.

 

[BucephalusBB]

sorry, i don't understand your post, especially that last line, is the wording wrong or i can't understand it.

You said killing 16 year olds is barbaric as well. So I say; "Yes, that's barbaric and needs to stop."
Great, now we havfe two thing we have to stop, but we still didn't advance in the OP-story. You just wanted to shift the story to America. You failed.. We're back at barbaric.

 

[ProudMuslim]

What i am saying is that people should stop living in the past of 1400 years ago and trying to copy every single thing your prophet did or said.

But "there is no compulsion in religion' is 1400 years old doctorine!

Like I have explained earlier there isn't any event of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) killing an apostate. The war that took place between Muslims and Apostates after the death of the Prophet were not merely about leaving the religion but it was about treason, about breaking the covenant. Qur'an does not mention any worldly punshiment for any apostate who respects the peace. Islam is not interested to keep people by force when it can attacts many other.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Please note, this is a typical muslim tactic so that they can avoid debating or even thinking about something negative about their religion, especially when they would otherwise have to concoct bizarre rationalisations to explain away the inconsistencies in their god and religion.

It is known as the logical fallacy of tu quoque.

Pure rubbish.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Do you really think that monarch should be replaced? Well, I do. I do believe that monarchy are obsolete. No one man should rule.

However, there one problem with the Muslims. Many Muslims are pining over the so-called "good old days" when you all were ruled by monarch, which you called sultans and caliphate. They want what you called obsolete monarchs. How many people wanting the caliphate, I don't know? But often I hear Muslims reminiscing the old empires.

Monarchy is not compatible with Islamic 'shura' (consultation) system.

Do you know how the 'shura' system works Gnostic? Caliphates were elected by the People. Khalifa Omar (RAA) said: Where I do right, assist me; where I do wrong correct me. The Khalifa in Islamic society does not equal monarchy in any way, although later Caliphates and shura system got distorted and became another channel of monarchy.

Shura resembles 'democracy' is many ways. If you are interested read this article.

 

[Father Heathen]

no it isn't, americans kill people for stealing money to eat some food, to live, now is that cruel and barbaric to you?

Killing innocent people is always barbaric, immoral, and unjust. But I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about when you say Americans kill people for stealing money. Could you provide an example?