Come on now, this is hardly a Muslim phenomenum.
No doubt.
All religions have their apologists, and they all use the same tactics more or less.
Have you ever read any Tao apologists? I can't imagine where I would find that script.
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Come on now, this is hardly a Muslim phenomenum.
All religions have their apologists, and they all use the same tactics more or less.
No doubt.
Have you ever read any Tao apologists? I can't imagine where I would find that script.
By the defintion of "apologist" I'm using here (which is really just a nice way of saying professional dissembler) I haven't read any. By the more traditional definition I suppose Alan Watts would qualify.
And then there was the one time I was walking downtown and I passed by some Taoist evangelist standing on a corner screaming, "The Tao that can be spoken of is not the eternal Tao"!!
I said, "But I didn't say anything".
He said, " Right, you can go then".
LOS (laugh out silence)
I've listened to 9 or 10 hours of Alan Watts, the stuff I consumed never seemed like a defense, it was all explanatory. It is my understanding that I haven’t scratched the surface with Watts so I defer to your assessment, the mod that cannot be spoken. :bow:
If your trying to restrict the meaning of the verse, then what do you have to say about the rest of the verse,[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] always chuckle when Muslims trot this passage out and say that it means the "Big Bang". To say that is creative thinking and stretching the truth is putting it mildly.[/FONT]
Sorry not an easy task trying to respond to everyone,(we're getting offtopic but hey, the OP hasn't acknowledged any of my on-topic posts in here...)
Please remember guys all these verses i put forward,that I know I do.
Well, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. I am on record as saying that Prophet Muhammed was indeed a great genius, but before you get too excited I also add that I firmly believe he was also quite insane, by "modern" standards. If you think about it, the combination of those two distinct elements makes for a very dangerous mix. My honest guess why anyone bothered to listen to his ramblings at all were simply because they were deeply afraid of him and as we all know, fear loves company.If your trying to restrict the meaning of the verse, then what do you have to say about the rest of the verse,
And we seperated them and made from
WATER every living thing? Qur"an 21,30
Now is this not in keeping with scientific facts?
that over 70% of the earth and living beings are
composed of water, who could of known this
in the 7th century?
Sorry not an easy task trying to respond to everyone,
but ill get to yours inshallah(if God wills).
Sorry Amin, but this is just more propaganda. Only a handful of the people who've responded to your OP are atheists and at least a cpl of those went out of their way to post reasonable, well thought out responses in critique of your article.
I love this forum but be kind i cant respond to all
allegations against me at once, but if you give me time
ill realy enjoy it.
Thats RIGHT."If God wills" LOL!
It seems you don't believe me, perhaps its His PlanSorry Amin, you only get to use the same excuse once in a thread before it becomes obvious that you're dissembeling, and you already used this dodge over a week ago;
Thats RIGHT.
It seems you don't believe me, perhaps its His Plan
not to allow me to respond, your not being understanding
its possible whenever i speak from MYSELF i may be wrong,
but being cheeky doesn't get us anywhere.
It is nothing more than a blantant application of the Forer Effect to the verses.:bow:Islam - The Modern Religion:bow:Religion and the ScientistDo you think this is enoughevidence?...seated side by side, two gentlemen from two different world...Religion and Scientist « Absolute Truth
Whats your thoughts?:angel2:
Exactly. It would be far more impressive if a great scientific discovery was MADE from reading passages of the Qur'an, not the other way around. I partcularly loved an article that discussed how the theory of relativity was revealed in the Qur'an 1400 years before it was "discovered". It was a delightful example of projecting -- however it was quite obvious the writer of the article believed his own words with every fibre of his being.It is nothing more than a blantant application of the Forer Effect to the verses.
They are merely taking a verse from the Koran and applying whatever the current scientific theory is.
This is easily done because the verses are so nonspecific that it can be claimed that ANY theory is what it was talking about.
It is not unlike the way that modern horoscopes are written.
All I'm showing, and i know your aware of Ymir is verses which are consistentExactly. It would be far more impressive if a great scientific discovery was MADE from reading passages of the Qur'an, not the other way around.
As usual trying to get of main topic, your response didn't even comeWell, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. I am on record as saying that Prophet Muhammed was indeed a great genius, but before you get too excited I also add that I firmly believe he was also quite insane, by "modern" standards. If you think about it, the combination of those two distinct elements makes for a very dangerous mix. My honest guess why anyone bothered to listen to his ramblings at all were simply because they were deeply afraid of him and as we all know, fear loves company.
Interesting how you would judge his mentality based upon an opinion he has every right to have.As usual trying to get of main topic, your response didn't even come
near answering , or sharing with us you thought, instead you attacked
a man whom i LOVE by saying indirectly his insane and dangerous therefore
demonstrating your limited mentality, and not desiring reform or communication
but rather corruption, so id be happy if you didn't respond until your serious and respectful.
I believe a lot of them are very clear, its only because you chooseThis is easily done because the verses are so nonspecific that it can be claimed that ANY theory is what it was talking about..
No the devils have presented horoscopes in place of the Destiny of GodIt is not unlike the way that modern horoscopes are written.
It only seems to you as judging, because its notInteresting how you would judge his mentality based upon an opinion he has every right to have.
All I'm showing, and i know your aware of Ymir is verses which are consistent
with scientific discovers which an unlettered person to have known in the 7th century.
True a few things but not in detail egI think people in the 7th century were a little more intelligent than you give them credit for.