Avi's Spiritual and Religious Journey - Part 2

[paarsurrey]

You did not answer the question, so all you have done again is to slip into just more inconsistencies. The issue you mentioned and I responded to was not about "Abraham", so I'm not going to let you get away with a disingenuous attempt at bait-and-switch.

I don't bait a human being; never done so.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

He told one generation it was rebellious, but it died out.

Moses was talking of the nature of the Jewish people.
They invented Golden Calf; and now they have invented Kabbalah.
The nature remained the same; that is the proof.

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[metis]

Moses was talking of the nature of the Jewish people.
They invented Golden Calf; and now they have invented Kabbalah.
The nature remained the same; that is the proof.

Regards

And your people invented the Qur'an and the Hadith, right?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Each generation is a new one, and each generation is blessed. In truth he doesn't define Jews by blood lines but by adoption lines. When you read the geneologies they include adoptions directly as if the people were born into the families. Geneologies are for keeping the land separated into small parcels to prevent any tribe growing at the expense of the others. They cannot preserve any rebellious tendencies or keep bloodlines pure.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jewish meditation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kabbalah appears to be an experimental meditation practice, going by the above article. It probably gives Jews supernatural powers and enables instantaneous communication across vast distances.

Zohar or Kabbalah:

“The Zohar first appeared in Spain in the 13th century, and was published by a Jewish writer named Moses de Leon. De Leon ascribed the work to Shimon bar Yochai ("Rashbi"), a rabbi of the 2nd century during the Roman persecution[3] who, according to Jewish legend,[4][5] hid in a cave for thirteen years studying the Torah and was inspired by the Prophet Elijah to write the Zohar.”

Zohar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Certain Jewish communities, however, such as the Dor Daim, Andalusian(Western Sefardic or Spanish and Portuguese Jews), and some Italian communities, never accepted it as authentic.[3]

Zohar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[Brickjectivity]

Authentication does not seem relevant. If they dispute who the author is and the time that it is written, what does it matter? I could write something inspired by Elijah. So could you. You just study him for a bit, and then you write. That's what it means to be inspired by someone. I suppose it would make the writing seem more important if you thought it were older, but its still merely a work inspired by not written by. Tell me you have a book Elijah wrote, and then authentication will matter.

 

[Flankerl]

Zohar or Kabbalah:

“The Zohar first appeared in Spain in the 13th century, and was published by a Jewish writer named Moses de Leon. De Leon ascribed the work to Shimon bar Yochai ("Rashbi"), a rabbi of the 2nd century during the Roman persecution[3] who, according to Jewish legend,[4][5] hid in a cave for thirteen years studying the Torah and was inspired by the Prophet Elijah to write the Zohar.”

Zohar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Certain Jewish communities, however, such as the Dor Daim, Andalusian(Western Sefardic or Spanish and Portuguese Jews), and some Italian communities, never accepted it as authentic.[3]

Zohar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Regards

Funny because Ahmadiyya started 1300 years after Mohammeds death.

 

[paarsurrey]

Funny because Ahmadiyya started 1300 years after Mohammeds death.

I don't get you exactly. Please elaborate.

Regards

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And your people invented the Qur'an and the Hadith, right?

Funny because Ahmadiyya started 1300 years after Mohammeds death.

Seriously: why feed it?

 

[Avi1001]

More on the rise of anti-semitism in Europe. Comments?

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/08/exodus-why-europes-jews-are-fleeing-once-again-261854.html

There is now a European website to deal with the coming crisis. What a shame on Europe:

https://www.sacc.eu

 

[paarsurrey]

More on the rise of anti-semitism in Europe. Comments?

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/08/exodus-why-europes-jews-are-fleeing-once-again-261854.html

There is now a European website to deal with the coming crisis. What a shame on Europe:

https://www.sacc.eu

The reason is it was inhuman to impose Jews on the Arabs in the first place.

I viewed two comments on the internet and I am just sharing the same:

1. 1938 - Mahatma Gandhi writes "The Jews In Palestine", in which he states: "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs....

The Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their hearts....Let the Jews who claim to be the chosen race prove their title by choosing the way of non-violence for vindicating their position on earth. Every country is their home, including Palestine, not by aggression but by loving service".

2. 1944 - Philosopher Hannah Arendt publishes Zionism Reconsidered, writing "Only folly could dictate a policy which trusts a distant imperial power for protection, while alienating the goodwill of neighbours... If the Jewish commonwealth is obtained in the near future… it will be due to the political assistance of American Jews...

But if the Jewish commonwealth is proclaimed against the will of the Arabs and without the support of the Mediterranean peoples, not only financial help but political support will be necessary for a long time to come. And that may turn out to be very troublesome indeed for Jews in this country, who after all have no power to direct the political destinies of the Near East."

OOO

One may google to locate the original sources and the context of the same.

I discuss only religion; not politics.

Regards

 

[Brickjectivity]

When in 1492 the Jews were expelled from Spain, the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II was so incredulous that he sent a fleet of boats to collect them. Such a prize, of doctors, lawyers, scientists and traders, could not be allowed to slip by.

Remember that very recently Russian leaders were kicking people out of their jobs just because they were Jewish. I personally worked with a new hire Jew here in USA who had to leave Russia since hiring Jews was politically discouraged. In Russia he was highly trained and valued in his field of work but over here in USA he had to take a job sweeping floors because of his poor English and foreign credentials. This was...six or seven years ago. It was just part of Russia's campaign to crush freedom of speech. Anybody who seemed like a threat or potential threat to the regime was tossed.

We have a similar situation here in the USA to what Bayezd II experienced in 1492. All of these 'Dangerous people' get kicked out of their jobs or even chased from their countries, and often they come here. Its good for us. I don't see them undermining our way of life at all or causing us any trouble. I do feel some sympathy for these Jews, but as far as I'm concerned its good for me as an American. Let them come here and start small businesses.

 

[paarsurrey]

Remember .....

One missed another paragraph from the article of Newsweek; I would like to quote it here:

Jewish life flourished under Islamic rule in Spain, an era known as the Golden Age, which produced some of the most important works of Jewish scholarship and a flowering of knowledge and science. Jews served as advisers to the Muslim rulers, as doctors, lawyers, teachers and engineers. Although there were sporadic outbreaks of violence, Jews living under Muslim rule in medieval times were far more prosperous, secure and integrated than those in Christian Europe.

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/08/e...in-261854.html

Regards

 

[Brickjectivity]

Although there were sporadic outbreaks of violence

Such as the recent violence against them in various other parts of the world, mainly due to their outspoken opinions. I worked with someone who hated Jews. You know why he hated them? Because they insisted upon workplace safety, and he thought it was costing him too much money. Definitely they are troublesome, but they are worth putting up with. Iran recently made the mistake of driving out its Jews, and so did Iraq. Most of them escaped to various places including Israel. Some didn't make it out of the countries where they were living.

and a flowering of knowledge and science

such as we have had over here in the USA. Its not a coincidence.

 

[Avi1001]

Paar, this post indicates that you are an anti-Semite. Would you like to confirm this, for the reading audience ?

The reason is it was inhuman to impose Jews on the Arabs in the first place.

I viewed two comments on the internet and I am just sharing the same:

1. 1938 - Mahatma Gandhi writes "The Jews In Palestine", in which he states: "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs....

The Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their hearts....Let the Jews who claim to be the chosen race prove their title by choosing the way of non-violence for vindicating their position on earth. Every country is their home, including Palestine, not by aggression but by loving service".

2. 1944 - Philosopher Hannah Arendt publishes Zionism Reconsidered, writing "Only folly could dictate a policy which trusts a distant imperial power for protection, while alienating the goodwill of neighbours... If the Jewish commonwealth is obtained in the near future… it will be due to the political assistance of American Jews...

But if the Jewish commonwealth is proclaimed against the will of the Arabs and without the support of the Mediterranean peoples, not only financial help but political support will be necessary for a long time to come. And that may turn out to be very troublesome indeed for Jews in this country, who after all have no power to direct the political destinies of the Near East."

OOO

One may google to locate the original sources and the context of the same.

I discuss only religion; not politics.

Regards

 

[Flankerl]

I don't get you exactly. Please elaborate.

Regards

This is so funny.

 

[paarsurrey]

1938 - Mahatma Gandhi writes "The Jews In Palestine", in which he states: "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs....

The Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their hearts....Let the Jews who claim to be the chosen race prove their title by choosing the way of non-violence for vindicating their position on earth. Every country is their home, including Palestine, not by aggression but by loving service".

Paar, this post indicates that you are an anti-Semite. Would you like to confirm this, for the reading audience ?

Do you think Mahatma Gandhi was an anti-Semite?
It is a news in itself.

I don't agree with you.

Regards

 

[Avi1001]

In times of war, people get confused and may refer or Halachic decisions to support their irrational views and decisions.

There are no cases, and no exceptions where civilian lives should be taken during war. It is this simple.

Any government whose policies result in civilian loses must be held accountable for these loses.

There are no exceptions to this principle.

 

[paarsurrey]

Targeting of Civilians

is definitely wrong.

Regards

 

[Avi1001]

Targeting of Civilians

is definitely wrong.

Regards

Very good starting point, Paar. How would you deal with these issues ? I see 3 starting points:

1)Intelligece.
2)Communications.
3)Education.

Please elaborate on these and provide others, if needed.

Actually, I see a 4th. Legislative and judicial reform. How does this apply ?