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Can God have a Son?

AhmadSyahir

Active Member
These are some interesting, if scattered, ideas, but none of them can be applied to me which cannot also be applied to you. And that appears to be what you are trying to present.

Our original contention was that you believe you have the only true religion. You were then essentially thwarted at every turn in your attempts to contrast your faith as superior, against mine, the Hellenes, or anyone else's. I am not sure where you are trying to steer the conversation at this point; you are simply continuing to spout platitudes in an effort to sound profound, perhaps, but without stating anything that shows any concrete contrast between your community and mine, your family and mine, your religion and mine.

We all can see into the hearts of others to various degrees; there is no special magic power to be had from choosing some 'best' religion.

I'll simplify it. When you don't see the truth, you feel that you're right. But after you have seen it, how can you ignore it.

There's many differences between our community if you can realize it. But now, my community is undergoing massive social and moral problem by leaving
their faith behind. If you're faithful, you should realize that many other human ideology only led to destruction.

I can still look like a good person even after I have murdered somebody but after the truth has revealed, I can't cover myself up anymore. What you see about your community can sometimes differ from the reality. Or you, yourself
done what I just said and trying to cover yourself up by denying the truth. Or many people don't realize that their own rules only led to destruction.

The most important thing by the people nowadays is entertainment and world pleasure. People live to collect wealth and to only spend it on world pleasure. I'm so surprised to find out about myself. My life was about entertainment. Playing video games, watching television, surfing Youtube, chating on the social network and listening to the music. I don't think that God has created us to have fun until we forgot who the one who create the Earth and Universe.
 

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
I'll simplify it. When you don't see the truth, you feel that you're right. But after you have seen it, how can you ignore it.
And? This idea then means nobody knows any truth, because in either case you will be convinced you have it, but will be unable to know that you do or not, as your ego will get in the way and always tell you you do have it.
So this is unworkable to your argument.

There's many differences between our community if you can realize it. But now, my community is undergoing massive social and moral problem by leaving
their faith behind. If you're faithful, you should realize that many other human ideology only led to destruction.
And you should realize that some did not. And some did not need any faith to do so.

I can still look like a good person even after I have murdered somebody but after the truth has revealed, I can't cover myself up anymore. What you see about your community can sometimes differ from the reality. Or you, yourself
done what I just said and trying to cover yourself up by denying the truth.
But I am not denying the truth. If anything you are. What makes you such an authority that you can say from your complete ignorance of where I live, that you know better than I how my community is and that my assessment of it is false?

Or many people don't realize that their own rules only led to destruction.
And what about when they don't? And what about your rules leading to your destruction?

As I complained before, you're simply spouting nonsensical koans and what-ifs that simply don't prove your points in any way. And you clearly don't understand that they apply equally in their criticisms to YOUR faith as well. Which is why they aren't persuasive in any way.


Basically your posts appear to be a condescending effort at schooling me on my 'culture', and that somehow because you disapprove of this nebulous bunch of 'other people' that somehow we are blind to how we lack virtue. And you stand on a pedestal looking down at us.

You are automatically villanizing mine while simultaneously being rather ignorant of it. Even after I have described how it is where I live; well, what I say is obviously somehow deluded? Information means nothing to you, you have already decided without any real information on which to base your decision.

Does this bad habit come from your faith, I wonder?

The most important thing by the people nowadays is entertainment and world pleasure. People live to collect wealth and to only spend it on world pleasure. I'm so surprised to find out about myself. My life was about entertainment. Playing video games, watching television, surfing Youtube, chating on the social network and listening to the music. I don't think that God has created us to have fun until we forgot who the one who create the Earth and Universe.
Cracking on the fact that we can enjoy ourselves these days, and that somehow this is not virtuous, when most people I know personally work damned hard all the time for what they have, is an old saw.

Asceticism is for the weak. One deserves the fruit of ones' labor, in moderation.
 

Renji

Well-Known Member
In the Christian context, the answer is yes. God has a son: John 3:16- "For God so loved the world, that He gave us His only Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but will have everlasting life."
 

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
I'll simplify it. When you don't see the truth, you feel that you're right. But after you have seen it, how can you ignore it.

Here, let me simplify it for you:

I have seen the truth, and it is that there is no supreme faith. People who think they have the supreme faith, are usually overcompensating for failure elsewhere, or are using this concept to give themselves an ego-driven feeling of supremacy they simply don't actually possess. And most often they are the exact type of people who are neither actually superior to others, and additionally, are the last people who should be superior to anyone else.

Your faith is in no way superior to mine; they are of equal value.
In this case you have failed completely to present any convincing argument.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I've experienced it in my life. It's not that I can't accept that my religion is wrong, but it's perfect. Like I just said, we can only believe if we have seen it.
When we know it, how can we disbelieve in something that we've seen?
How can we know? Through discussion I guess.

For starting, do you ever live in a community that some of the people still practise sihir(black magic)? I guess you don't even believe that it's exist. It's somehow common in my country and there's people who still practise it. What explaination can you have with scientific study in this matter?

This is no magic show that i'm talking about. This is about some people who suffer from this kind of doing. There's no hospital that can treat them.

Anything man touches becomes less than perfect.

Christianity is as close to perfect as one can get but the reality is that it is practiced by human beings. However I still find Islam (The pure meaning) and scripture (legalism) useful at times. Islamis less than perfect because it depends on man's understanding and obedience, whereaas Christianity depends on God's provision.

For instance God told Abraham to sacrifice his son. Hisobedience was Islam. Abraham was asked by his son where the sacrifice was and Abraham said God will provide. God's provision of a lamb to replace the son is Christianity. The concept is called substitutionary attonement.
 

Photonic

Ad astra!
Anything man touches becomes less than perfect.

Christianity is as close to perfect as one can get but the reality is that it is practiced by human beings. However I still find Islam (The pure meaning) and scripture (legalism) useful at times. Islamis less than perfect because it depends on man's understanding and obedience, whereaas Christianity depends on God's provision.

For instance God told Abraham to sacrifice his son. Hisobedience was Islam. Abraham was asked by his son where the sacrifice was and Abraham said God will provide. God's provision of a lamb to replace the son is Christianity. The concept is called substitutionary attonement.

Sorry to tell you, but Christianity is no more "perfect" than ANY religion.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
In the Christian context, the answer is yes. God has a son: John 3:16- "For God so loved the world, that He gave us His only Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but will have everlasting life."

is there any prophet in the Bible who said that a son for God will appear later?
 
We don't pray to a stone in a house. It is you who should educate yourself before you speak. The house was given to us by Allah (SWT) so that the believers can have a place to turn to. This is because Allah (SWT) saw mankind looking for Him in every direction. So He says that the believers should pray towards the Kaaba (house). So the believers channel all their prayers to a certain place and from there it goes up into the heavens. It is said that the throne of Allah (SWT) is directly above the Kaaba (house).

The stone was given to Adam (AS) as a mercy from Allah (SWT). God gave it to him and told him that if he prays and touches it, his sins will be extracted into the stone. It was once white, but has turned black over the years from all the sins.
 
Prophet Ibrahim built the House for devout worship to one God. But within his lifetime people disobeyed his orders and began to put idols inside the Kaaba. Ibrahim had to clean the House of these idols and of Idle worshippers. He told the people that this was a symbolic house of God. God does not live there for He is everywhere. People did not understand this logic and no sooner had Ibrahim died the people, out of reverence, filled the place with idols again. They thronged to this place annually and worshipped their personal gods, It was over Four Thousand years later that the last of the line of prophet (SA), Muhammad Ibne Abdullah entered Makka triumphantly, went inside the Ka’aba and, with the help of his cousin and son in law Ali Ibne Abi Talib, (AS) destroyed all the idols of Ka’aba with their own hands. At one stage of this destruction of idols, the tallest of the idol Hubbol was brought down after Ali had to stand on the shoulders of the Prophet to carry out God’s orders. The Prophet of Islam was reciting the Verse from the Qur’an

“Truth hath come and falsehood hath vanished.”
This was done in the 8th year of Hijra, January 630 AD after the bloodless victory at Makka by the Prophet of Islam.
 

Photonic

Ad astra!
We don't pray to a stone in a house. It is you who should educate yourself before you speak. The house was given to us by Allah (SWT) so that the believers can have a place to turn to. This is because Allah (SWT) saw mankind looking for Him in every direction. So He says that the believers should pray towards the Kaaba (house). So the believers channel all their prayers to a certain place and from there it goes up into the heavens. It is said that the throne of Allah (SWT) is directly above the Kaaba (house).

The stone was given to Adam (AS) as a mercy from Allah (SWT). God gave it to him and told him that if he prays and touches it, his sins will be extracted into the stone. It was once white, but has turned black over the years from all the sins.

You pray. To a stone. In a house.

The fact that you see it different is your own bias.

Argumentation theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
You pray. To a stone. In a house.

The fact that you see it different is your own bias.

Argumentation theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


We don't pray to the Kaaba, we just take it a unitary direction for our prayer just when Christians and Jews direct towards Jerusalem since it's a sacred place.

Prophet Muhammad said before that the Muslim himself is more important than the Kaaba despite being sacred as a place which means that the Kaaba is not as important as you depict.
 

tarekabdo12

Active Member
Why man has sons? This is question must have an answer and a simple one. If we know so, we can understand why God can/ can't have a Son?

so again, Why do you think man begets sons?
 
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