Christian Magic?

[Guitar's Cry]

rrrriiiiiigggggghhhhhtttttttt....

Glad we agree! :yes:

 

[Mr Cheese]

From Aleister Crowley's Magick: In Theory and Practice:

"Every man must do magic each time he acts or thinks...a thought is an internal act whose influence ultimately affects action, though it may not do so at the time."

great....

so crowley agrees...

deficating is a form of magic

as is ordering a big mac

:sad::sad::sad:

:sarcastic could possibly crowley have been hinting at a deeper truth than simply:

magic is pretty much anything...when I tweak my nipples its magic...because I thought about them, I acted and made a change to my nipples.......

:sarcastic or maybe this forum believes nipple tweaking is magic too

As we see the high priestess of the Ogdodaic tradition likes doing it in bars...

 

[Guitar's Cry]

:sarcastic could possibly crowley have been hinting at a deeper truth than simply:

magic is pretty much anything...when I tweak my nipples its magic...because I thought about them, I acted and made a change to my nipples.......

I think he was too, and was hoping that would get across.

 

[Mr Cheese]

I think he was too, and was hoping that would get across.

good luck:sarcastic:clap

 

[Guitar's Cry]

good luck:sarcastic:clap

Well, what do you think he was hinting at?

Because really, all I've heard refuting my points is "How can defecation, Big Macs, and nipple-tweaking be magical?"

I think I've made a rather logical and honest statement of why I think so. So, why wouldn't they be?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Can we get back to the focus of the thread? People call it magic when Pagans draw a magic circle, recite names of powers, and command something to happen. A Priest or Pastor signs the cross over a piece of bread and a challice of wine and commands it to become the body and blood of Jesus. Where's the difference?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Can we get back to the focus of the thread? People call it magic when Pagans draw a magic circle, recite names of powers, and command something to happen. A Priest or Pastor signs the cross over a piece of bread and a challice of wine and commands it to become the body and blood of Jesus. Where's the difference?

The pagan drawing the circle is defining it as magic, the priest signing the cross isn't.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

The pagan drawing the circle is defining it as magic, the priest signing the cross isn't.

So basically Christians can slam Pagans for magic, but do the exact same practice and not call it magic?

 

[Gentoo]

I think you'll find yourself running into people making a bunch of arbitrary distinctions between divine intercession/miracles and magic/sorcery when you ask this kind of question.

When it comes down to it, the difference seems to be "well, ours is different and okay because its ours!"

Quoting again for emphasis.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Can we get back to the focus of the thread? People call it magic when Pagans draw a magic circle, recite names of powers, and command something to happen. A Priest or Pastor signs the cross over a piece of bread and a challice of wine and commands it to become the body and blood of Jesus. Where's the difference?

Sorry if it was off-topic. To bring it back around, I would say the difference is in the folks participating in each ritual. The problem is when one side accuses the other of doing something they decide is "evil" when it is fairly similar. Then, I would call it hypocrisy.

But hypocrisy, to quote Queen, "It's a kind of magic."

I think this is a good way of putting it:

I think you'll find yourself running into people making a bunch of arbitrary distinctions between divine intercession/miracles and magic/sorcery when you ask this kind of question.

When it comes down to it, the difference seems to be "well, ours is different and okay because its ours!"

 

[Reverend Rick]

to infer that Jesus was practising a form of hermetic kabbalah is laughable....
unless you meant somethign different

I said kabbalah, you said hermetic kabbalah.

Just for a moment let's take a time out. I don't think I said with out a doubt and stated this as fact.

Please allow me one question:

When 12 year old Jesus visited the rabbinical counsel, what knowledge did the 12 year old possess that impressed them so?

What ancient knowledge would they have been discussing back in 12 A.D. ?

 

[Anti-thesisofreason]

I was watching an Easter sermon of some kind with my dad on TV. I was barely paying attention to it, at any rate, they were talking about the blood of Jesus and all this stuff. Isn't this whole blood of Jesus deal just very powerful blood magic? I mean even if Jesus didn't intend to give his life for people, just the fact that millions believe he did constitutes very powerful magic. Does anyone else agree?

"Magick is the Art and Science of causing changes to occur in conformity with Will."

-Aleister Crowley

I would say a priest turning wine into blood and bread into flesh follows this definition.

 

[Katzpur]

I was watching an Easter sermon of some kind with my dad on TV. I was barely paying attention to it, at any rate, they were talking about the blood of Jesus and all this stuff. Isn't this whole blood of Jesus deal just very powerful blood magic? I mean even if Jesus didn't intend to give his life for people, just the fact that millions believe he did constitutes very powerful magic. Does anyone else agree?

The blood is symbolic of His death. In and of itself, it has no magical qualities. It was the sacrifice that mattered, and even it wasn't magic.

 

[dogsgod]

I was watching an Easter sermon of some kind with my dad on TV. I was barely paying attention to it, at any rate, they were talking about the blood of Jesus and all this stuff. Isn't this whole blood of Jesus deal just very powerful blood magic? I mean even if Jesus didn't intend to give his life for people, just the fact that millions believe he did constitutes very powerful magic. Does anyone else agree?

It's magic alright, just look at the hold that it has on Christians.

 

[Katzpur]

It's magic alright, just look at the hold that it has on Christians.

That statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. A lot of things have a hold on people and are not magic. Look at political ideologies, for example. They have a tremendously strong hold on millions of people. Do you think they're magic?

 

[blackout]

That statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. A lot of things have a hold on people and are not magic. Look at political ideologies, for example. They have a tremendously strong hold on millions of people. Do you think they're magic?

Politics is largely Lesser Black Magic at work.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

The blood is symbolic of His death. In and of itself, it has no magical qualities. It was the sacrifice that mattered, and even it wasn't magic.

I disagree, it's powerful blood magic. There's a branch of magic called blood magic, and even if his intent wasn't to die for others, the fact that billions believe it gives it a good deal of power.

 

[Katzpur]

Politics is largely Lesser Black Magic at work.

Well, you've got a good point there!

 

[Mr Cheese]

So basically Christians can slam Pagans for magic, but do the exact same practice and not call it magic?

yes and no...

the difference is in setting up a place that is to be entered into...

versus

invoking the divine

the lines between mysticism and magic are blurry...

but there is a difference
.....

There is of course only one ("magical")ritual and all rituals are variations of it..

I think you can clearly see the eucharist AS magick...

but we can see it not as magic also....

as magic it is invoking an bringing forth power, energy, the divine....

as mystic practise it is cleaning the temple not built with hands...ready for it to be enterd

as such...it is a man with a UV torch demanding that a tomato he has picked from the vine ripen

versus

a man with a watering can..inviting the sun to ripen his tomatoe

the ideas are similar...but really the two differ in a subtle and yet immense fashion....

this is why the tao te chin speaks of none doing....not doing

but considering people cant even agree on what magic is..I sense my words are less than worthless....

c'est la vie

 

[Mr Cheese]

I disagree, it's powerful blood magic. There's a branch of magic called blood magic, and even if his intent wasn't to die for others, the fact that billions believe it gives it a good deal of power.

:sarcasticblood magic....

magic is magic..

be it blood magic
candle magic
monkey tee pee magic

or wombat magic